Japans social recluses, Hikikomori

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A recently released Japanese cabinet survey, says that there are 541,000 hikikomori aged from 15-39, or those who haven't left their homes or interacted with others for at least six months. Most of these are young men, and the figure does not include those over 39. There is higher pressure in Japanese society especially on young men to succeed, and it is thought that the trigger for isolating oneself, is 'failing to live up to expectations'. It is believed that this phenomenon which has been recognised since the 1980's stems from depression and anxiety but there are also cultural and societal influences at play also. In more simple terms, a perceived failure is dealt with by locking yourself away, immersing your life with games, TV, internet etc. To deal with these problems that are options such as virtual high school and hikikomori support centres to try to get one to integrate back into society, build up ones confidence as be able to deal with the multiple real world issues that arise.

It is probably fair enough to say that we can recognise many of these symptoms, of isolation but perhaps not to the extent of locking oneself away from anyone outside the family home for 6 months plus, or perhaps this exists to some extent in Ireland and we don't know about it. Do such persons deserve our sympathy and support to try and reintegrate into society, or would a more old fashioned approach be more appropriate? Spoilt brats or misunderstood? Thoughts?

Why won't 541,000 young Japanese leave the house? - CNN.com
 


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Interesting cultural trait. Sad really. Japan seems to be a very insular society in which more modern concepts have never been allowed. There are downsides to cultural isolationism as it simply entrenches negative aspects of the community and excludes external influences.

Equally sad is the tendency of the same people in Ireland to attend right2whine protests and/or start 158 abortion threads on internet forums.
 

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Heard that Jap women are dying for it :D
There is also the phenomenon, which may be somewhat related to this issues, of virtual girlfriends. With their rapidly ageing society, such social phenomenons amongst predominantly young males is a huge cause for concern there.
 

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logically they arent responsible for the world they have grown up in. maybe if japan had let their economy burn in the 90's they might have cleared the decks. Otherwise maybe their parents should take responsibility to raise them to be more competitive or just kick them out when they finish school or college


there is a bit of the Utopian mouse experiment about it too

one of the comments on the article

The Amazing Rise and Fall of a Rodent Utopia | Mysterious Universe


As for Japan, I actually happen to live there and I notice a great many things here that have frightening parallels to the Universe 25 experiment. For one, there has been a dramatic increase in recent years in the number of what are referred to here as NEETs, which stands for Not Employed, Educated, or Trained. They are basically grown people who have no job nor desire to get one and live with their parents well into middle age basically getting a free ride and spending their days in frivolous pursuits, often not really leaving their homes at all. They are also called "parasite singles," which I think is a very apt designation as they are basically a leech attached to their parents' home.

In addition to these, there is another growing trend among especially young Japanese called "freeters," which means an aimless individual who drifts from part-time job to part-time job without any real goals or desire to have a real career. Many of them don't go to a university or even drop out of high school.
 

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Equally sad is the tendency of the same people in Ireland to attend right2whine protests and/or start 158 abortion threads on internet forums.
You are a bit of a cultural dinosaur yourself - afraid to protest and scared of new thinking.
 

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People have becoming more anti social over the recent decades and the availability of certain technologies have facilitated it. This type of lifestyle would be very hard to maintain without being able to order food online or spend days watching television.
 

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They must have a fantastic SW system over there to fund this lifestyle, they can't all be rich.
Personally I see this as a cautionary tale for the rest of the world (or the non SE Asian world anyway), this is what happens when you put too much pressure on people to succeed.
Also there is a real danger that with VR and home deliveries, working from home etc, this might become something close to the norm over the next decade or so.
It also seems that Japan needs to rethink the way their society works, they are too stultified and conservative.
 

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You are a bit of a cultural dinosaur yourself - afraid to protest and scared of new thinking.
Yep, there's loads of originality in many of the 157,000 abortion threads on the site.
 

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They must have a fantastic SW system over there to fund this lifestyle, they can't all be rich.
Personally I see this as a cautionary tale for the rest of the world (or the non SE Asian world anyway), this is what happens when you put too much pressure on people to succeed.
Also there is a real danger that with VR and home deliveries, working from home etc, this might become something close to the norm over the next decade or so.
It also seems that Japan needs to rethink the way their society works, they are too stultified and conservative.
Japan needs to start breeding like crazy, suffer the consequences of society collapsing under the weight of pensions and layabouts, or encourage immigration. In our lifetimes we're going to witness, what an advanced first world country looks like with its population collapsing. A cautionary tale indeed.
 

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They must have a fantastic SW system over there to fund this lifestyle, they can't all be rich.
Personally I see this as a cautionary tale for the rest of the world (or the non SE Asian world anyway), this is what happens when you put too much pressure on people to succeed.
Also there is a real danger that with VR and home deliveries, working from home etc, this might become something close to the norm over the next decade or so.
It also seems that Japan needs to rethink the way their society works, they are too stultified and conservative.
i bet they will be the first society where sex robots go mainstream or combined with VR, no need to leave the house :D in the long run it would be better if the japanese population falls. at some stage it will hit a level where their men can get some traction. either that or build up the military and invade the philippines or somewhere?
 

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Japan needs to start breeding like crazy, suffer the consequences of society collapsing under the weight of pensions and layabouts, or encourage immigration. In our lifetimes we're going to witness, what an advanced first world country looks like with its population collapsing. A cautionary tale indeed.
they are automating their economy , they are experimenting with farms that have no employees they should get over the hump, the old people might lose their savings in inflation but so what and they might get limited care in old age but they should make it over the hump
 

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A more in depth look, if you're interested

[video=youtube;G7UHX9PsbEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UHX9PsbEc[/video]
 

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they are automating their economy , they are experimenting with farms that have no employees they should get over the hump, the old people might lose their savings in inflation but so what and they might get limited care in old age but they should make it over the hump
The same is happening here, everything is being automated.
 

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they are automating their economy , they are experimenting with farms that have no employees they should get over the hump, the old people might lose their savings in inflation but so what and they might get limited care in old age but they should make it over the hump
Economies have been automating for millennia. People just have to get different jobs over time. How many car manufacturers were there two hundred years ago?
 

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Economies have been automating for millennia. People just have to get different jobs over time. How many car manufacturers were there two hundred years ago?
Where have all the blacksmiths gone?
 

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Interesting cultural trait. Sad really. Japan seems to be a very insular society in which more modern concepts have never been allowed. There are downsides to cultural isolationism as it simply entrenches negative aspects of the community and excludes external influences.

Equally sad is the tendency of the same people in Ireland to attend right2whine protests and/or start 158 abortion threads on internet forums.
any links to support this claim or was it just made up?
 

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Japan needs to start breeding like crazy, suffer the consequences of society collapsing under the weight of pensions and layabouts, or encourage immigration. In our lifetimes we're going to witness, what an advanced first world country looks like with its population collapsing. A cautionary tale indeed.
Wrong, the entire human population needs to start breeding less. It is far far far easier to deal with a declining population rather than an ever expanding one.
 


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