Jean Charles de Menezes

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The cause of Jean Charles de Menezes goes on unabated.

There is an ongoing investigation into how this young innocent Brazillian was murdered on a Tube in London.
Whilst there is no doubt that the Muslim terror attacks did cause some jitters, several investigations have shown that Jean Charles was given no chance...even though there was absolutely no evidence to show he was a terrorist or a carrier of deadly weapons.

Help Jean Charles' family to secure justice for their son and brother; and finally bring a much needed peacful closure to them.

http://www.justice4jean.com/
 


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Can't they really only just join the long line of victims families seeking justice from the British?
 

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Meriwether has a different take on that.

All the excuses made, by the police, have been found to be fabricated and deliberate concealment of the facts leading to the murder of Jean Charles.
 
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jetttxyz said:
Meriwether has a different take on that.

All the excuses made, by the police, have been found to be fabricated and deliberate concealment of the facts leading to the murder of Jean Charles.
Don't think it was police, believe it was Army specials.
 

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odie1kanobe said:
Don't think it was police, believe it was Army specials.
No, it was definitely the police. Seeing as it was the police who were prosecuted and found guilty.
 
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NeilW said:
odie1kanobe said:
Don't think it was police, believe it was Army specials.
No, it was definitely the police. Seeing as it was the police who were prosecuted and found guilty.
Met Police were prosecuted but that was a sham as nobody going to jail.

The idea that Army etc couldn't act as police was well and truely blown during miners strike when squaddies were in blue,
 

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odie1kanobe said:
NeilW said:
odie1kanobe said:
Don't think it was police, believe it was Army specials.
No, it was definitely the police. Seeing as it was the police who were prosecuted and found guilty.
Met Police were prosecuted but that was a sham as nobody going to jail.

The idea that Army etc couldn't act as police was well and truely blown during miners strike when squaddies were in blue,
Are you suggesting that the named police officers in charge of the operation that day were in fact undercover soldiers their entire careers?! What are you trying to suggest?
 
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NeilW said:
odie1kanobe said:
NeilW said:
odie1kanobe said:
Don't think it was police, believe it was Army specials.
No, it was definitely the police. Seeing as it was the police who were prosecuted and found guilty.
Met Police were prosecuted but that was a sham as nobody going to jail.

The idea that Army etc couldn't act as police was well and truely blown during miners strike when squaddies were in blue,
Are you suggesting that the named police officers in charge of the operation that day were in fact undercover soldiers their entire careers?! What are you trying to suggest?
Cressida Dick was in charge of the OPand she is Met Police, some of the people on the ground were not probably most were not.
 

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odie1kanobe said:
NeilW said:
odie1kanobe said:
Don't think it was police, believe it was Army specials.
No, it was definitely the police. Seeing as it was the police who were prosecuted and found guilty.
Met Police were prosecuted but that was a sham as nobody going to jail.

The idea that Army etc couldn't act as police was well and truely blown during miners strike when squaddies were in blue,
No one's gone to jail...not yet; but the persistence of the supporters, of the Jean Charles cause for justice, has brought about progress.
There have been leaks, from the ongoing investigation, that those who fired the shots that murdered Jean Charles could be facing prosecution for murder.
The source of the leaks also say that Commissioner Blair may have to resign or be sacked.

It was this very man who gloated at a Press Conference telling how he got his man and how good his men were.

The guy hasn't had the grace to admit he got it wrong or to apologise to Jean Charles' family for this grave injustice....killing an innocent person because 'he looked like a Middle Eastern terrorist' :roll: ....and then rolled out a lot of excuses, now proven to be lies.

There's no doubt that the cops were jittery after the Muslim bombings in London; but, they followed Jean Charles for ages, got him in the Tube, and shot him SEVEN times in the head......all because they 'thought' he looked like a terrorist!!

It is with the support of fair minded people, from all over the world, that the family of Jean Charles will get the justice they fully deserve.

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jetttxyz said:
odie1kanobe said:
There have been leaks, from the ongoing investigation, that those who fired the shots that murdered Jean Charles could be facing prosecution for murder.
Er, what ongoing investigation? The CPS recommended no charges and this was appealed to the High Court and thrown out and so far not overturned. Surely there is no investigation? (Though I personally feel that manslaughter charges would be warranted even if it's really, really difficult to see a jury convicting.)
 
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NeilW said:
jetttxyz said:
odie1kanobe said:
There have been leaks, from the ongoing investigation, that those who fired the shots that murdered Jean Charles could be facing prosecution for murder.
Er, what ongoing investigation? The CPS recommended no charges and this was appealed to the High Court and thrown out and so far not overturned. Surely there is no investigation? (Though I personally feel that manslaughter charges would be warranted even if it's really, really difficult to see a jury convicting.)
can you get the quotes right as attributing some stuff to me
 

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This JCdeM stuff really needs to stop.

> The guy got very unlucky and it is very sad what happened to him.

> But the police tried their best in exceedingly difficult circumstances.

> Not every tragedy has a ready scapegoat or person worthy of blame.

> The British public see it as a sad event, but are overwhelmingly on the the police's side.


Shit happens. Move on.

And to those habitual Brit-bashers, it's a testament to that country's spirit of fundamental decency that there is always an awkward squad willing to take on the establishment on behalf of the little guy, as is the case here. If this had happened in Paris, the country would have shrugged it's collective shoulders and forgotten about it by teatime.
 

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Treehouse said:
> But the police tried their best in exceedingly difficult circumstances.
Dear oh dear. Accepting that level of performance as "the best the police can do" is not only ridiculous - it would be downright dangerous for every innocent person walking the streets.
 

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NeilW said:
Treehouse said:
> But the police tried their best in exceedingly difficult circumstances.
Dear oh dear. Accepting that level of performance as "the best the police can do" is not only ridiculous - it would be downright dangerous for every innocent person walking the streets.
You have a point there- there may well be negligence, and downright incompetence, but it still doesn't bring it away from 'accident' territory.
 

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Treehouse said:
This JCdeM stuff really needs to stop.

> The guy got very unlucky and it is very sad what happened to him.

> But the police tried their best in exceedingly difficult circumstances.

> Not every tragedy has a ready scapegoat or person worthy of blame.

> The British public see it as a sad event, but are overwhelmingly on the the police's side.


* siúcra * happens. Move on.

And to those habitual Brit-bashers, it's a testament to that country's spirit of fundamental decency that there is always an awkward squad willing to take on the establishment on behalf of the little guy, as is the case here. If this had happened in Paris, the country would have shrugged it's collective shoulders and forgotten about it by teatime.
Rubbish . Getting shot in the head seven times by "professionals" is not unlucky it is obscene . They certainly were not "doing their best " as you put it .I think your generalisation of what the British public think is groundless as is your remark about britbashing .
 

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The MET commissioner Ian Blair did his best to cover it up. He should have been sacked. Whoever was responsible for the various lies that came out in the immediate aftermath, also seemed to be covering up as well. They should have been sacked or charged with an offence. If the victim had been a local without a dodgy immigration status, I think there would have been a bigger outcry. Mistakes like this can happen, but you'd like to think they actually learn from them.
 

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michael1965 said:
The MET commissioner Ian Blair did his best to cover it up. He should have been sacked. Whoever was responsible for the various lies that came out in the immediate aftermath, also seemed to be covering up as well. They should have been sacked or charged with an offence. If the victim had been a local without a dodgy immigration status, I think there would have been a bigger outcry. Mistakes like this can happen, but you'd like to think they actually learn from them.
I dont believe it was a mistake by them to carry out the murder. The mistake was the victim. I believe they intended to take one of the Islamist groups out in revenge for the previous days events. Shoot to Kill policy again just like in the six counties or in the case of Diarmuid O Neill. The murder was deliberate. So too was the cover up
 

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FamilyGuy said:
I dont believe it was a mistake by them to carry out the murder. The mistake was the victim. I believe they intended to take one of the Islamist groups out in revenge for the previous days events. Shoot to Kill policy again just like in the six counties or in the case of Diarmuid O Neill. The murder was deliberate. So too was the cover up
That's a bit nuts though.
 

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michael1965 said:
The MET commissioner Ian Blair did his best to cover it up. He should have been sacked. Whoever was responsible for the various lies that came out in the immediate aftermath, also seemed to be covering up as well. They should have been sacked or charged with an offence. If the victim had been a local without a dodgy immigration status, I think there would have been a bigger outcry. Mistakes like this can happen, but you'd like to think they actually learn from them.
Agree with all of that except I think it came out that de Menezes was in the country legally. He did not run away from anybody because he was scared they were immigration officials.
 

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pikey said:
Getting shot in the head seven times by "professionals" is not unlucky it is obscene . They certainly were not "doing their best " as you put it .I think your generalisation of what the British public think is groundless as is your remark about britbashing .
It doesn't matter if you're shot once or seven times in the head, you're still going to be dead. The officers involved at that moment believed that the man was about to detonate a bomb, killing themselves and others. With adrenaline flowing and five and a half pound triggers on their Glocks, it can happen that a frightened shooter will fire off more shots than required. Their assessment of the situation may have been wrong, unprofessional, or criminally negligent. They, like more senior officers made mistakes but this does not add up to murder. This terrible situation could have been avoided if other plain clothes police officers following de Mendes had been armed, they could have confronted him before he entered the station with the knowledge that if he tried anything they could deal with him. If that had been the case, de Mendes would have been arrested and released within hours.

Unfortunately, senior officers in London choose to deploy specialized firearms units whenever there is a suspicion firearms may be needed. They have their advantages but sometimes decisions are best left to the officer on the ground who will have a greater indication of what's going on. That of course would be taking power away from the top brass who like the idea of being the ones who make the decision.
 


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