Jesus was not the son of God according to new amazon doc

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Jesus Christ , explosive Amazon Prime documentary claims

"The doc's claim suggests a Greek man named Apollonius may have been the true face behind the New Testament.

The preacher, who was born around the same time as Jesus in Central Anatolia, is said to share a number of striking similarities.

These include preaching arguably the same things, having a large crowd of loyal followers and performing miracles.

The controversial series also explains how Apollonius rose to prominence by gathering religious followers during his miraculous action."

Has anyone on p.ie seen this documentary? It seems like something akin to Ancient Aliens or the like on the so called "History" Channel. Also does anyone know if this is the first time such a theory has been floated?

I have never heard of Apollonius of Tyan but have heard it suggested that Pythagorean philospohy was hugely influential on early Christianity - is that the source of the conflation between the two personalities?
 


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Jesus Christ , explosive Amazon Prime documentary claims

"The doc's claim suggests a Greek man named Apollonius may have been the true face behind the New Testament.

The preacher, who was born around the same time as Jesus in Central Anatolia, is said to share a number of striking similarities.

These include preaching arguably the same things, having a large crowd of loyal followers and performing miracles.

The controversial series also explains how Apollonius rose to prominence by gathering religious followers during his miraculous action."

Has anyone on p.ie seen this documentary? It seems like something akin to Ancient Aliens or the like on the so called "History" Channel. Also does anyone know if this is the first time such a theory has been floated?

I have never heard of Apollonius of Tyan but have heard it suggested that Pythagorean philospohy was hugely influential on early Christianity - is that the source of the conflation between the two personalities?


May it's His twin brother. He looks a bit pale in his photograph.
 

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Impossible to tell except that the character of 'jesus' is certainly a composite made up of many influences. In pretty much the same way as the marian figure is derived from the Persian Anahira mixed up with elements of Diana and other goddesses since.

Dionysus has a remarkably similar history/biography as a figure as yer man mr jesus. The vast majority of xtians today would be absolutely convinced they'd recognise mr jesus if he suddenly arrived standing in their back garden lookin' holy but the current agreed icon of mr jesus only came about from representations drawn up in Constantinople in the 6th century.
 

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I think the only safe thing to say is he looks very like his Da.
 

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The only other racing certainty from history is that none of the figures who claim to have been fathered by a divinity- from Macedonian tyrants to Roman Emperors and various lunatics nearer our end of the historical telescope have been fathered by a god.

It was a good gig though while it lasted for most of them.
 

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Impossible to tell except that the character of 'jesus' is certainly a composite made up of many influences. In pretty much the same way as the marian figure is derived from the Persian Anahira mixed up with elements of Diana and other goddesses since.

Dionysus has a remarkably similar history/biography as a figure as yer man mr jesus. The vast majority of xtians today would be absolutely convinced they'd recognise mr jesus if he suddenly arrived standing in their back garden lookin' holy but the current agreed icon of mr jesus only came about from representations drawn up in Constantinople in the 6th century.
The early Christians were often mocked by so-called pagans for their resurrection story been too similar to that of Attis.
 

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The early Christians were often mocked by so-called pagans for their resurrection story been too similar to that of Attis.
The pagans really took the mickey when the xtians attempted to say there was only one god who had to do everything by himself. Bear in mind they were used to a pantheon of gods who divided up the everyday tasks, one for the hearth and home, one for hunting and good fortune, one for war and so on.

The pagan lads nearly killed themselves laughing when it was alleged there was only one god. It seemed unlikely to them. Which is how angels were invented.

Sort of Santa's little helpers.
 

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Quite a regular thing, the old resurrection after death. A beaten path into the clouds, as it were.
 

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Cynics and rabid atheists will snort and sneer but anyone ever wonder how they never found the bones of Christ? I mean, v high profile execution, enemy of the people etc. There would be a lot of vested interests who would have been very anxious that when the corpse went behind the rock, it stayed there. Didn't happen. Gotta wonder what happened.
 

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Impossible to tell except that the character of 'jesus' is certainly a composite made up of many influences. In pretty much the same way as the marian figure is derived from the Persian Anahira mixed up with elements of Diana and other goddesses since.

Dionysus has a remarkably similar history/biography as a figure as yer man mr jesus. The vast majority of xtians today would be absolutely convinced they'd recognise mr jesus if he suddenly arrived standing in their back garden lookin' holy but the current agreed icon of mr jesus only came about from representations drawn up in Constantinople in the 6th century.
There is a thread about a scholer who claims Jesus was entirely a mythical figure, and the deeds ascribed to him were borrowed or invented.

Story of Jesus Fabricated Claims US scholar Joseph Atwill

This scholar's thesis is actually more interesting than the one on which this OP is based. Apollonius of Tyana is fairly well known, and the resemblance to Jesus' have been noted before.

Apollonius of Tyana - Wikipedia

It is quite possible that Jesus was a mythical figure, but it is hard not be feel that, like other mythical figures such as King Arthur or Robin Hood, there was a real person behind the stories.
 

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Cynics and rabid atheists will snort and sneer but anyone ever wonder how they never found the bones of Christ? I mean, v high profile execution, enemy of the people etc. There would be a lot of vested interests who would have been very anxious that when the corpse went behind the rock, it stayed there. Didn't happen. Gotta wonder what happened.
Why do you assume he was buried in a tomb?! Usually, those crucified were left on the cross for days (as carrion for animals) and eventually thrown into a common grave, a pit.

Anyway, why would those responsible have worried about Jesus' body after he died? There was no expectation among Jews or Romans that he would 'rise'; he would simply have been seen as a deluded loser who met the same fate as countless other deluded losers.
 

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Holy God! - It's bad enough that Frankie is a formal heretic without adding this to Tfm's worries.


He will have a stroke
What’s a former heretic, the bit that’s left after the burning?
 

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What’s a former heretic, the bit that’s left after the burning?

Tut tut - the approved phrase is 'formal heretic'. As distinct from an informal one.

The distinction is a complex canonical matter best interpreted by the magisterium - but the outward sign is that Benny still wears the Papal jocks and is refusing to hand them over to the nuns for cleansing. Without the True Jocks Frankie can only wear informal ones and cannot make ex-Cathedra pronouncements. Hence the heresy. Which is formal.
 


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