Jesus was not the son of God according to new amazon doc

Lumpy Talbot

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Not going to lie. It was a long time ago so I don't remember specifics but they all have good stuff to recommend them. The Idiot, Crime and Punishment and The Gambler all have greatness but The Brothers Karamazov is widely considered to be his masterpiece. I really want to reread. It's very subjective but I'd go with that.
cheers. May have a go at Karamazov later this year and see what shakes out.
 


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"After old Abe started hearing voices, he carved up his own genitals then tried to murder his son.

Billions of people don't think this sounds insane"

And yeah the Old Testament is full of animal sacrifices, blood magic was an essential component of Judaism - remember the whole "scapegoat" goat-murdering business on Yom Kippur. And this is actually one of the very good reasons for placing Mark after 70AD. After the destruction of the Temple by the Romans the blood sacrifice of the goat, which represented the atonement of all the people's sins for one year, was no longer possible.

An alternative was needed, pronto.

And therefore the blood sacrifice of an actual god-man was magicked up and presented as a one-shot super-sacrifice that had the power to atone for all the sins, not just for a year, but forever. And so the destruction of the Temple isn't so traumatic after all, Mr God has provided an alternative.

Christianity only really makes sense in the context of Judaism's tradition and mythology around blood magic.
So Jesus is actually an uplifted-to-sapience goat, primarily for the purpose of appeasing a crazy, blood hungry God of prehistory?

I see.
 

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So Jesus is actually an uplifted-to-sapience goat, primarily for the purpose of appeasing a crazy, blood hungry God of prehistory?

I see.
Hah that brings up some amusing images in my head of GoatJesus running round causing goatish chaos. No wonder the Romans arrested GoatJesus for all his antics!

But yeah, the super-duper blood-sacrifice aspect where the death of Jesus specifically atones for the sins of all men is one of the main lifts from Judaism. Most of the rest is just copied from various other dying-and-rising personal saviour cults that were common in the Hellennic world at the time.

Originally Jebus wasn't human at all but a purely celestial being revealed through visions. The genuine epistles of Paul make no mention of an earthly Jesus. The process of euhemerization only kicks in post-70AD when the Temple is destroyed and there is a need for a replacement for the goat atonement ritual.

Here's another nice dodge that most people don't notice, and quite deliberately so IMO: Paul's epistles are placed quite late in the New Testament, well after the Gospels and Acts etc. But Paul's writings are actually by far the earliest, decades before the earliest Gospel. So when Paul says something along the lines of "in accordance with the Scriptures" there is a natural inclination to include the preceeding events of Gospels, Acts etc as part of "Scripture". But of course none of those books existed yet at the time Paul was writing. Any references by Paul to "scripture" refers only to the Old Testament, specifically the Messianic prophesies (or, gibberish that was centuries later retconned to be messianic prophesy foretelling a saviour from Roman occupation) in Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel etc.
 

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Hah that brings up some amusing images in my head of GoatJesus running round causing goatish chaos. No wonder the Romans arrested GoatJesus for all his antics!

But yeah, the super-duper blood-sacrifice aspect where the death of Jesus specifically atones for the sins of all men is one of the main lifts from Judaism. Most of the rest is just copied from various other dying-and-rising personal saviour cults that were common in the Hellennic world at the time.

Originally Jebus wasn't human at all but a purely celestial being revealed through visions. The genuine epistles of Paul make no mention of an earthly Jesus. The process of euhemerization only kicks in post-70AD when the Temple is destroyed and there is a need for a replacement for the goat atonement ritual.

Here's another nice dodge that most people don't notice, and quite deliberately so IMO: Paul's epistles are placed quite late in the New Testament, well after the Gospels and Acts etc. But Paul's writings are actually by far the earliest, decades before the earliest Gospel. So when Paul says something along the lines of "in accordance with the Scriptures" there is a natural inclination to include the preceeding events of Gospels, Acts etc as part of "Scripture". But of course none of those books existed yet at the time Paul was writing. Any references by Paul to "scripture" refers only to the Old Testament, specifically the Messianic prophesies (or, gibberish that was centuries later retconned to be messianic prophesy foretelling a saviour from Roman occupation) in Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel etc.
Hilarious. He wasn't human at all....yeah, that's why Paul talks about his brothers and Jesus' birth and being a descendent of David.

Seriously, there's a reason Richard Carrier basically earns a living begging people for 'donations'.
 

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Imagine how relieved some people will be if it turns out he was not Jewish.
 

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This site collapsed shortly after it mentioned an alternative theory re identity of Jesus. Only saying.
 


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