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Job Security in Public Sector is now on the table: who should get the chop?


Congalltee

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Kenny accused of threatening public sector jobs - RTÉ News.

There is a (wrong) perception that public servants are guaranteed a job for life unless they hit their boss or rob from the employer or are otherwise convicted.

The Unfair Dismissals Act does apply to public servants which means that it is fair to dismiss an employee on the grounds of incapacity, incompetence and conduct (subject to fair procedures).

Incapacity
The Employment Equality Act crosses over here as an employee cannot be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. But if that disability cannot be accommodated then dismissal can be made (in reality it would be a payoff).

Incompetence
Tricky since who judges it? On what objective basis? What consequence for the manager? But it remains an option.

Conduct
Bullying, abuse, assault, constant lateness, AWOL etc. However, this will unleash the lawyers.

Redundancy
Must be fair and objective and it is the job which is made redundant not the individual employee. It will be costly since more than statutory payments will be demanded (god knows why it should be paid out?)

So who's in the firing line?
- clock watchers?
- troublemakers?
- the uninterested?
- alcoholics?
- those on stress leave?
- those with bad backs?
- those who never scored well on any productivity test?
- those who have cost the State money?


(Or is this threat just guff and the government has no intention of taking on the unions on this ground as trade unions will prefer a pay cut for all including those carrying others)
 


onlyasking

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Kenny accused of threatening public sector jobs - RTÉ News.

There is a (wrong) perception that public servants are guaranteed a job for life unless they hit their boss or rob from the employer or are otherwise convicted.

The Unfair Dismissals Act does apply to public servants which means that it is fair to dismiss an employee on the grounds of incapacity, incompetence and conduct (subject to fair procedures).

Incapacity
The Employment Equality Act crosses over here as an employee cannot be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. But if that disability cannot be accommodated then dismissal can be made (in reality it would be a payoff).

Incompetence
Tricky since who judges it? On what objective basis? What consequence for the manager? But it remains an option.

Conduct
Bullying, abuse, assault, constant lateness, AWOL etc. However, this will unleash the lawyers.

Redundancy
Must be fair and objective and it is the job which is made redundant not the individual employee. It will be costly since more than statutory payments will be demanded (god knows why it should be paid out?)

So who's in the firing line?
- clock watchers?
- troublemakers?
- the uninterested?
- alcoholics?
- those on stress leave?
- those with bad backs?
- those who never scored well on any productivity test?
- those who have cost the State money?


(Or is this threat just guff and the government has no intention of taking on the unions on this ground as trade unions will prefer a pay cut for all including those carrying others)
Get rid of them all, and hire half of them so long as they're on their knees, begging for mercy.

Pay them half of current rates. Balance the books? Easy.

Then again, do we really need state schools and hospitals? Those who deserve their wealth can easily afford their own exclusive schools and hospitals.

Our beloved Maggie would be looking down from Our Lord's right hand, nodding contentedly.

Society? What's that?
 

commonman

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I dont mind if i get the sack with the cost of fuel and running two cars and all the new taxs we pay and the low pay i am on. i might be better of on the dole
 

Howya

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....but there is a better option....offer juicy redundancies to senior management and then hire them back as consultants.....
 

IbrahaimMohamad

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Sack those who are not flexible, those who are incompetent and those who have high sick leave rates!
 

Kevin Doyle

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....but there is a better option....offer juicy redundancies to senior management and then hire them back as consultants.....
nail on head
 

Kevin Doyle

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Kenny accused of threatening public sector jobs - RTÉ News.

There is a (wrong) perception that public servants are guaranteed a job for life unless they hit their boss or rob from the employer or are otherwise convicted.

The Unfair Dismissals Act does apply to public servants which means that it is fair to dismiss an employee on the grounds of incapacity, incompetence and conduct (subject to fair procedures).

Incapacity
The Employment Equality Act crosses over here as an employee cannot be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. But if that disability cannot be accommodated then dismissal can be made (in reality it would be a payoff).

Incompetence
Tricky since who judges it? On what objective basis? What consequence for the manager? But it remains an option.

Conduct
Bullying, abuse, assault, constant lateness, AWOL etc. However, this will unleash the lawyers.

Redundancy
Must be fair and objective and it is the job which is made redundant not the individual employee. It will be costly since more than statutory payments will be demanded (god knows why it should be paid out?)

So who's in the firing line?
- clock watchers?
- troublemakers?
- the uninterested?
- alcoholics?
- those on stress leave?
- those with bad backs?
- those who never scored well on any productivity test?
- those who have cost the State money?


(Or is this threat just guff and the government has no intention of taking on the unions on this ground as trade unions will prefer a pay cut for all including those carrying others)
What? But......but......but.....everyone knows there's total job security in the PS, posters on P.ie say so.....aggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
 

james5001

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Sack those who are not flexible, those who are incompetent and those who have high sick leave rates!
Yes! Let's sack people with long term illnesses!
 

gatsbygirl20

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Yes! Let's sack people with long term illnesses!
Those "with bad backs" I see are on the the list. That's me fekked so....

I think the real salivating buzz comes from compiling THE LIST.......Let's have a little fantasy P.ie thread about sacking people...

It's like the PS Paycut Porn threads: "How Much Should We Cut PS Pay By?" where everyone rows in with their own lip-smacking pay cut percentage....10%....20%....heck let's make it 40%...yippee...suck it up...ha ha...

People get pleasure from the strangest things...
 

Mr. Bumble

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Mr. Bumble

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Those "with bad backs" I see are on the the list. That's me fekked so....

I think the real salivating buzz comes from compiling THE LIST.......Let's have a little fantasy P.ie thread about sacking people...

It's like the PS Paycut Porn threads: "How Much Should We Cut PS Pay By?" where everyone rows in with their own lip-smacking pay cut percentage....10%....20%....heck let's make it 40%...yippee...suck it up...ha ha...

People get pleasure from the strangest things...
Let's gloat. Let's sack loads of people so that we can point and laugh. Oooooh. It feels so good.
 

Mr. Bumble

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I think not! Let them buy their own island overpaid layabouts.
That's true. Anyway we already have a leper colony. It's called Kilkenny.
 

mido

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Mr. Bumble

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F

fistikuffs

Does the government have the stomach to carry this through though? Unlikely with Labour in tow i'd think.
 

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