Jobsireland.ie makes the news but not in a good way

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Government websites tend to be either very good or quite ordinary. Apparently the Jobsireland.ie website is not, according to the reports on RTE, one of the former. It is an outsourced venture.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0707/888417-recruitment-website-government/

Catherine Murphy is to write to the PAC on the subject.

This is one of the things that illustrates the difference between the PS and the real world:
"The Department of Social Protection said the contractors had assigned considerable additional staff to the project at no extra cost to the State in an effort to speed up the resolution of the glitches."

Ain't they just great? No extra cost to fix the problems they created. No doubt that impresses the DSP people. Apparently it is, by Irish standards, a big and complex website.

This is the original announcement of the 4.5 million Euro contract:
https://www.welfare.ie/en/pressoffice/Pages/pr180915.aspx
 


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It amazes me how many Irish government websites that Norton warns me are "?" rather than "safe".
 

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Why the hell someone decided there's a need for yet another jobseeker website is beyond my imagination. Much better use of the fund would be to partner with one of the leaders in the area and just use their services instead.
It's money lost.
 

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Why the hell someone decided there's a need for yet another jobseeker website is beyond my imagination. Much better use of the fund would be to partner with one of the leaders in the area and just use their services instead.

It's money lost.
It wasn't a "new jobseeker website", but rather an enhancement of an existing one which had delivered a satisfactory service to jobseekers for a number of years; indeed one of my kids used it to get a job, back in the day.

The planned enhancement, which would have enabled employers to use it to find prospective employees as well as vice-versa, seems to have been a legitimate objective. The problem is that it doesn't appear to be working.
 

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I have no evidence but like most government quangos they get little done while spending heaps of tax-payers money.
 

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As a unemployed person, i would use he website 4 times a day, the problems i have with it is 2, one is that 2 have o log into it every time unless you are on the compute all the time, then is every 25 minutes u can keep logged in, i have inquired can it be extended bu no. Also they have no option so u can check the jobs that was updated today only like all other job websites, but no maybe someime
 

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Why the hell someone decided there's a need for yet another jobseeker website is beyond my imagination. Much better use of the fund would be to partner with one of the leaders in the area and just use their services instead.
It's money lost.
It might give the partnered site an unfair advantage in that they had the CVs of much more unemployed people than other jobs hunting sites.
 

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It wasn't a "new jobseeker website", but rather an enhancement of an existing one which had delivered a satisfactory service to jobseekers for a number of years; indeed one of my kids used it to get a job, back in the day.
Yeah, 'back in the day'. The times have changed, there's no longer point to re-invent the wheel. Whatever amount of money they will put into this project, it will never match functionally any of the solutions available on the market. Dublin Bus don't just go ahead and design their own buses, they buy Mercedes or Solaris, maybe customise colours or interior to suit the local needs. Same should apply to majority of IT projects. Especially ones which aren't specialised, but can be reused all over the world.
 

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As a unemployed person, i would use he website 4 times a day, the problems i have with it is 2, one is that 2 have o log into it every time unless you are on the compute all the time, then is every 25 minutes u can keep logged in, i have inquired can it be extended bu no. Also they have no option so u can check the jobs that was updated today only like all other job websites, but no maybe someime
I wonder whether the logging-in requirement is so the DSP can track whether people who are getting JA/JB are looking for jobs - if so, that's a real "Big Brother" scenario.

I wonder whether the DSP surveyed regular users of the website - like you - when they were drawing up the user requirement specs for the "enhanced" website. I suspect not.
 

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Yeah, 'back in the day'. The times have changed, there's no longer point to re-invent the wheel. Whatever amount of money they will put into this project, it will never match functionally any of the solutions available on the market. Dublin Bus don't just go ahead and design their own buses, they buy Mercedes or Solaris, maybe customise colours or interior to suit the local needs. Same should apply to majority of IT projects. Especially ones which aren't specialised, but can be reused all over the world.
You being such a knowledgable chap, I assume that you tendered for the DSP contract. And I find it incredible that your all-singing, all-dancing, state of the art proposal didn't get selected. Sincerest commiserations.
 

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I wonder whether the logging-in requirement is so the DSP can track whether people who are getting JA/JB are looking for jobs - if so, that's a real "Big Brother" scenario.
i'm betting it has more to do with lazy programming and/or badly-written specs than with big brother.
 

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You being such a knowledgable chap, I assume that you tendered for the DSP contract. And I find it incredible that your all-singing, all-dancing, state of the art proposal didn't get selected. Sincerest commiserations.
He has a bit of a point, though. Such projects need much less bespoke programming than they used to. At least, that's the way it is if they're done right.
 
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He has a bit of a point, though. Such projects need much less bespoke programming than they used to. At least, that's the way it is if they're done right.
The key element with large sites is that the planning (scalability and data issues) and programming is done correctly at the start. That means that the maintenance coding will be quite limited. The backend software has come a long way over the past twenty years or so as has the hardware. There are a few people on P.ie who work with database backed websites and have a reasonably good understanding of the requirements and software. From the way things turned out, the specifications and requirements for the site may not have been properly worked out by DSP. The handling of "glitches", from the RTE article, was quite novel.
 
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Yeah, 'back in the day'. The times have changed, there's no longer point to re-invent the wheel. Whatever amount of money they will put into this project, it will never match functionally any of the solutions available on the market. Dublin Bus don't just go ahead and design their own buses, they buy Mercedes or Solaris, maybe customise colours or interior to suit the local needs. Same should apply to majority of IT projects. Especially ones which aren't specialised, but can be reused all over the world.
Software doesn't always cross borders easily. Also, even when buying on off-the-shelf solution there will be initially an extensive customisation project (all at very high rates) and you're subsequently locked in to the supplier for purposes of support.
 
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I wonder whether the logging-in requirement is so the DSP can track whether people who are getting JA/JB are looking for jobs - if so, that's a real "Big Brother" scenario.

I wonder whether the DSP surveyed regular users of the website - like you - when they were drawing up the user requirement specs for the "enhanced" website. I suspect not.
I suspect that the timeout is a standard security setting. Unlike P.ie, a jobsite will hold very detailed information on its users.
 


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