John Hume in America and John Hume in General

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Up until the mid 1970's a Nationalist Catholic had not got the right to vote in the North. Unless he was RUC vetted.
Did the same apply to prods? If they were not rate payers.?
 


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Did the same apply to prods? If they were not rate payers.? There has never been a law preventing Catholics from voting in elections in Northern Ireland,voting eligibility for the election of MPs to Westminster and Stormont has always been the same as the rest of the UK.In local council elections you had to be a rate payer to be eligible to vote(those who paid for local services got to vote for the councillors who spent their rates money and poor people who didn't pay rates got no vote),larger numbers of protestants than Catholics were disenfranchised by this rule because Northern Ireland had more protestants than Catholics.Interestingly parochial houses were exempt from paying rates meaning Ian Paisley did not have the vote in local elections.This can all be checked on the cain history of the troubles website.
 

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Nothing, but you can choose to do your resenting by steady negotiation until everyone says "he's right".

Or, you can do your resenting by an armed effort, carbombings, etc, supported by the soviet union (which also oppressed catholics), and in the process kill another 400 catholics for not doing their resenting in a 100% obedient way.

Those 400+ catholics were killed by "republicans", not by john hume.
You seem to be instructing the oppressed Catholics of Northern Ireland on how to overthrow Prod tyranny. Do you really believe we need such instruction? Steady negotiation over 50 years left us with nothing other than our ruined lives. Please stop the preaching. You Eirefolk did nothing to stop Prod tyranny in Northern Ireland. Indeed, you helped to prolong it.
 

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The other two were not born in the north , though I know what you mean .

Samuel Beckett was born in Enniskillen ..one of my favourite irishmen
Samuel Beckett was born on Brighton Road in Foxrock, Dublin
 

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A good man whose contribution to the peace process seems to be less appreciated now.
 

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John Hume swore allegiance to the anti-Catholic brit Crown at Westminster to become its subject- he was no pacifist-
Just who were the pacifists in NI when the madness was going on then?
Who were the people trying to get the egotistical dunces that thought they could bomb their way to a UI to wise up and come into the real world?
 

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You seem to be instructing the oppressed Catholics of Northern Ireland on how to overthrow Prod tyranny. Do you really believe we need such instruction? Steady negotiation over 50 years left us with nothing other than our ruined lives. Please stop the preaching. You Eirefolk did nothing to stop Prod tyranny in Northern Ireland. Indeed, you helped to prolong it.
Do tell us. Is this quaint concept "Prod Tyranny" still going on or is it over?
 

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Just who were the pacifists in NI when the madness was going on then?
Who were the people trying to get the egotistical dunces that thought they could bomb their way to a UI to wise up and come into the real world?
Paisley?
Thatcher?
 

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There was an interesting program- "Reeling in the years, 1964" on last week. It had a clip from a Radharc program on it. The Radharc program examined Derry in 1964. It concluded that the Unionist minority basically controlled the city. They refused jobs, houses and employment to the Nationalists in the Bogside.
The presenter said at the end- " There is widespread discrimination in this city, but both the Irish and British government's do not want to know, Derry(London) is a powder keg waiting to blow"

I blame the British and Southern Irish governments for the Troubles. Not the SDLP, Sinn Fein or Nationalists. Slán
 

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Do tell us. Is this quaint concept "Prod Tyranny" still going on or is it over?
It is still going on. The Unionists will not bring in an Acht na Gaeilge, even though it was promised. Loyalists also have sectarian bonfires and marches. And they would march through Nationalist areas if they were allowed- flying their Loyalist flags.
 

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There were more Nationalists killed in the Troubles than any other group. That community suffered the most. It is a fact. There were also a lot of the Unionists killed.
 

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Paisley?
Thatcher?
No, the were in the same league as the egotistical dunces i was on about earlier. Then again you do know the answer but don't like it.
 

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It is still going on. The Unionists will not bring in an Acht na Gaeilge, even though it was promised. Loyalists also have sectarian bonfires and marches. And they would march through Nationalist areas if they were allowed- flying their Loyalist flags.
Bonfires. Marches. And horror of horrors, they WOULD march through other areas if they were let.

Yeah right. Dreadful tyranny.
 

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Let the Muslims march past the Cenotaph in London, or else Irish nationalists- see what will happen. It would never be allowed rightly so, so why should the UVF be allowed to march through Catholic/Nationalist areas?
 

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Bonfires. Marches. And horror of horrors, they WOULD march through other areas if they were let.

Yeah right. Dreadful tyranny.
Irish nationalists speaking cúplá focail of Gaeilge- why does that prospect seem to upset the DUP so much?
 

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Just who were the pacifists in NI when the madness was going on then?
Who were the people trying to get the egotistical dunces that thought they could bomb their way to a UI to wise up and come into the real world?
They did bomb their way to a United Ireland has the GFA border poll will prove and Sinn Fein will be in the government or in the opposition in the future 32- the 1920 Government of Ireland act - the act of Union was got rid of through the barrel of the gun dressed up in nice suits to get the right agreement for the Irish people- Hume the SDLP never fought and will never get the vote now-
 

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They did bomb their way to a United Ireland has the GFA border poll will prove and Sinn Fein will be in the government or in the opposition in the future 32- the 1920 Government of Ireland act - the act of Union was got rid of through the barrel of the gun dressed up in nice suits to get the right agreement for the Irish people- Hume the SDLP never fought and will never get the vote now-
You are really messed up.
I don't know what the shinners are feeding you but stop taking it.
Talk about brainwashed.
 

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Pretty hard to engage with such an incoherent rant, but just two points :
Where's the evidence of Hume accepting that the Brits and partition were well meaning ?
Jayus were you too young to remember Hume on blabbering endlessly with shyte like "it's not the island that's divided it's the people ..... history has shown that no society can be made free by the bullet and gun" etc, etc almost nightly at times on the news and radio. All typical empty platitudes of the Stoopy's and Hume, while the same John Hume was one of the best paid politicians in Europe with his MEP and MP salaries and all the perks with it.


Whoever described the GFA as Sunningdale for slow learners was close to the mark. Pity it took about another 2,500 deaths before the provos came to the same conclusion, hence the moniker of SDLP nua.
Also, it might help debate here if you posted completely in English or Irish.
Christ HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE BLOODY TOLD THE GFA UNLIKE SUNNINGDALE IS AN INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT LODGED AT THE UN BROKERED AND SPONSORED BY THE EU AND USA. Sunningdale wasn't worth paper it was printed on, it could be torn up by the Brits at a moment's notice (which it was) and didn't deal with release of prisoners, disbanding the RUC, closing British barracks proper anti employment discrimination and so on. Do you think May wouldn't tear up the GFA to appease the DUP, Johnston, Rhees Mogg etc if she had the chance ?
 

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They did bomb their way to a United Ireland has the GFA border poll will prove and Sinn Fein will be in the government or in the opposition in the future 32- the 1920 Government of Ireland act - the act of Union was got rid of through the barrel of the gun dressed up in nice suits to get the right agreement for the Irish people- Hume the SDLP never fought and will never get the vote now-
Trying to claim the GFA came about because of Hume is like trying to say the Anglo Irish Treaty 1922 came about because of John Redmond through their sweet talk with the Brits.
 

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Jayus were you too young to remember Hume on blabbering endlessly with shyte like "it's not the island that's divided it's the people ..... history has shown that no society can be made free by the bullet and gun" etc, etc almost nightly at times on the news and radio. All typical empty platitudes of the Stoopy's and Hume, while the same John Hume was one of the best paid politicians in Europe with his MEP and MP salaries and all the perks with it.



Christ HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE BLOODY TOLD THE GFA UNLIKE SUNNINGDALE IS AN INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT LODGED AT THE UN BROKERED AND SPONSORED BY THE EU AND USA. Sunningdale wasn't worth paper it was printed on, it could be torn up by the Brits at a moment's notice (which it was) and didn't deal with release of prisoners, disbanding the RUC, closing British barracks proper anti employment discrimination and so on. Do you think May wouldn't tear up the GFA to appease the DUP, Johnston, Rhees Mogg etc if she had the chance ?
Oooh, lodged at the UN? That's impressive. :lol: Its 'sponsorship' even more so. :lol:

It's the way you lads tell them.
 


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