Johnson puts it up to May to welsh on Britain's commitments to the EU

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"On yer bike, Johnny Foreigner! Not one precious British penny will we hand over to your greasy fingers." Boris Johnson rallies the troops for the Doomsday battle against beastly Brussels.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/09/boris-johnson-urges-theresa-may-to-resist-50bn-eu-bill

The foreign secretary ... appeared to apply pressure on May to stand firm against EU demands for cash, amid reports saying the UK could be asked to hand over up to £50bn as an exit fee.
Once Britain displays its steely fortitude, BoJo Bonkers expects Johnny Hun, Johnny Frog, Johnny Dago, Johnny Wop, Johnny Polack, Johnny Begorrah and the rest of these lesser mortals to curl up and die, just like they did when they were exposed to a chilly blast of Margaret Thatcher's Dunkirk spirit.

Asked about that prospect, Johnson said: “I think we have illustrious precedent in this matter: I think you can recall the 1984 Fontainebleau summit in which Mrs Thatcher said she wanted her money back and I think that is exactly what we will get.”
Jeez, talk about making a bad situation worse. This sort of trash-talk backs the Brits into yet another corner where paying over anything of the commitments they've already made to EU spending will be headlined as a treacherous surrender in the Fleet Street rags. You'd think by this stage Mad May and her frothing donkeys would have realised that threatening the EU with destruction if they don't play ball just hasn't worked and is only strengthening a shared European view to let then stew in the shìt of their own making.

Reality seems to have gone out the Downing Street window, replaced by jingoistic stupidity that can have only one outcome. By upping the ante, Bonkers is putting it up to May to withdraw unilaterally from the EU without paying the bills even if that means Britain will be marooned in a trading limbo and with all its cards thrown away if it tries to negotiate a subsequent relationship with the EU. Infantile ego-politics have taken over the bubble as the drums ready themselves to roll to the March of the Lemmings.

Even on the Remain side, logic appears to be a lost cause. I was just listening to Tory MEP Vicky Ford on RTE Radio defy the opinions of just about everybody with a technical understanding and claim that a seamless Border can be created at the flick of a switch. Maybe she expects Q to get stuck into the task once he finishes adapting 007's Aston Martin.
 


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"On yer bike, Johnny Foreigner! Not one precious British penny will we hand over to your greasy fingers." Boris Johnson rallies the troops for the Doomsday battle against beastly Brussels.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/09/boris-johnson-urges-theresa-may-to-resist-50bn-eu-bill



Once Britain displays its steely fortitude, BoJo Bonkers expects Johnny Hun, Johnny Frog, Johnny Dago, Johnny Wop, Johnny Polack, Johnny Begorrah and the rest of these lesser mortals to curl up and die, just like they did when they were exposed to a chilly blast of Margaret Thatcher's Dunkirk spirit.



Jeez, talk about making a bad situation worse. This sort of trash-talk backs the Brits into yet another corner where paying over anything of the commitments they've already made to EU spending will be headlined as a treacherous surrender in the Fleet Street rags. You'd think by this stage Mad May and her frothing donkeys would have realised that threatening the EU with destruction if they don't play ball just hasn't worked and is only strengthening a shared European view to let then stew in the shìt of their own making.

Reality seems to have gone out the Downing Street window, replaced by jingoistic stupidity that can have only one outcome. By upping the ante, Bonkers is putting it up to May to withdraw unilaterally from the EU without paying the bills even if that means Britain will be marooned in a trading limbo and with all its cards thrown away if it tries to negotiate a subsequent relationship with the EU. Infantile ego-politics have taken over the bubble as the drums ready themselves to roll to the March of the Lemmings.

Even on the Remain side, logic appears to be a lost cause. I was just listening to Tory MEP Vicky Ford on RTE Radio defy the opinions of just about everybody with a technical understanding and claim that a seamless Border can be created at the flick of a switch. Maybe she expects Q to get stuck into the task once he finishes adapting 007's Aston Martin.
Go Boris go. May the hair on their balls turn to drumsticks and burst Merkels bolo*x to cream.



Yahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
 

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I disagree. When the other 27 countries realize what the UK's 60 billion pound exit fee is supposed to pay (bureaucrats salaries, perks and pensions) they'll be rushing for the exits too.
 

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"On yer bike, Johnny Foreigner! Not one precious British penny will we hand over to your greasy fingers." Boris Johnson rallies the troops for the Doomsday battle against beastly Brussels.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/09/boris-johnson-urges-theresa-may-to-resist-50bn-eu-bill



Once Britain displays its steely fortitude, BoJo Bonkers expects Johnny Hun, Johnny Frog, Johnny Dago, Johnny Wop, Johnny Polack, Johnny Begorrah and the rest of these lesser mortals to curl up and die, just like they did when they were exposed to a chilly blast of Margaret Thatcher's Dunkirk spirit.



Jeez, talk about making a bad situation worse. This sort of trash-talk backs the Brits into yet another corner where paying over anything of the commitments they've already made to EU spending will be headlined as a treacherous surrender in the Fleet Street rags. You'd think by this stage Mad May and her frothing donkeys would have realised that threatening the EU with destruction if they don't play ball just hasn't worked and is only strengthening a shared European view to let then stew in the shìt of their own making.

Reality seems to have gone out the Downing Street window, replaced by jingoistic stupidity that can have only one outcome. By upping the ante, Bonkers is putting it up to May to withdraw unilaterally from the EU without paying the bills even if that means Britain will be marooned in a trading limbo and with all its cards thrown away if it tries to negotiate a subsequent relationship with the EU. Infantile ego-politics have taken over the bubble as the drums ready themselves to roll to the March of the Lemmings.

Even on the Remain side, logic appears to be a lost cause. I was just listening to Tory MEP Vicky Ford on RTE Radio defy the opinions of just about everybody with a technical understanding and claim that a seamless Border can be created at the flick of a switch. Maybe she expects Q to get stuck into the task once he finishes adapting 007's Aston Martin.
If they don't pay then they get no deal on trade. Also who is going to pay the UK pay and pensions for those that worked and get pensions from the EU?
 
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Legally binding contractual obligations, the Brits signed the dotted line.

Let them take their "case" to the ECJ.
 

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Walking away from prior commitments is an excellent way to begin negotiations for a new raft of trade deals. Builds trust, like.
 

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Sounds like there's ample room for fudge on this. Britain will continue to pay its obligations while it is a member i.e. the next 2-10 years, eating into a large chunk of the "bill", while probably accepting some upfront costs not sizeably different from its annual contributions. So no £60bn "bill" but lots of Britain->EU cash flow - everyone's a winner.
 
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Does Boris the Bold realize that he is actually supposed to be the Foreign Secretary, and that his Dept will have some extremely serious work ahead of them in the Brexit negotiations.

Jaysus!

Be nice if we had a subforum in which to gather all of these Brexit threads all the same.
 

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Sounds like there's ample room for fudge on this. Britain will continue to pay its obligations while it is a member i.e. the next 2-10 years, eating into a large chunk of the "bill", while probably accepting some upfront costs not sizeably different from its annual contributions. So no £60bn "bill" but lots of Britain->EU cash flow - everyone's a winner.
It takes trust and respect to reach a compromise. Not much sign of either at the moment.
 

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Interesting... (From OP linked article)

However, EU leaders have started to address the issue of the UK having to pay to wind up its liabilities. Arriving at the EU summit, Enda Kenny, the Irish taoiseach, indicated that he would back demands for Britain to pay a divorce fee.


“When you sign on for a contract, you commit yourself to participation. And obviously the extent of that level of money will be determined,” he said.
 

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Sounds like there's ample room for fudge on this. Britain will continue to pay its obligations while it is a member i.e. the next 2-10 years, eating into a large chunk of the "bill", while probably accepting some upfront costs not sizeably different from its annual contributions. So no £60bn "bill" but lots of Britain->EU cash flow - everyone's a winner.
The problem with that is that while Britain remains a member, it's contributions will pay for its ongoing dues, rather than the future liabilities.

That might work for some committed projects which come to fruition , but longer term commitments like pensions or longer term projects will still need to be paid for.
 

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Does Boris the Bold realize that he is actually supposed to be the Foreign Secretary, and that his Dept will have some extremely serious work ahead of them in the Brexit negotiations.

Jaysus!

Be nice if we had a subforum in which to gather all of these Brexit threads all the same.
Actually he won't. The Foreign Office has relatively little to do with Brexit negotiations.

Obviously it's still responsible for bilateral relationships with EU states, so it doesn't have no role, but it has a much smaller role than you suggest.

This sounds to me like Boris trying to be the hardest of hard brexiteers, knowing he's not the one who has to deliver on it, so that if and when May fails, he can position himself as the Brexiteers choice to replace her.
 

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The problem with that is that while Britain remains a member, it's contributions will pay for its ongoing dues, rather than the future liabilities.

That might work for some committed projects which come to fruition , but longer term commitments like pensions or longer term projects will still need to be paid for.
Politically, many of the EU states want to screw the UK to the wall on this issue and don't care if it causes the talks to fail. This is heading for a train wreck.
 

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Actually he won't. The Foreign Office has relatively little to do with Brexit negotiations.

Obviously it's still responsible for bilateral relationships with EU states, so it doesn't have no role, but it has a much smaller role than you suggest.

This sounds to me like Boris trying to be the hardest of hard brexiteers, knowing he's not the one who has to deliver on it, so that if and when May fails, he can position himself as the Brexiteers choice to replace her.
Ah, my mistake. Silly me for reading their Wiki page, which states:

Building the UK’s prosperity by increasing exports and investment, opening markets, ensuring access to resources, and promoting sustainable global growth.
Supporting British nationals around the world through modern and efficient consular services.
Divilment and dastardly Remainer propagandists obviously busy editing with misinformation.
 

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Ah, my mistake. Silly me for reading their Wiki page, which states:

Divilment and dastardly Remainer propagandists obviously busy editing with misinformation.
Not sure what about that you think supports your initial point about the Foreign Office having 'extremely serious' work in the Brexit negotiations.

In practice, the Brexit Department has the responsibility for developing the negotiating position and delivering the negotiations. The International Trade Dept will have responsibility for the wider world future trade relationships.

FCO was quite a good move for both Boris and May. She gets to put him somewhere that he thinks suits his stature, but where he can do very little damage in real terms. He gets to have a nice title, do a lot of jetsetting, and gets to disavow the negotiations if they go tits up. But it's just wrong to suggest that the FCO has a very significant role in the BRexit negotiations.
 

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Politically, many of the EU states want to screw the UK to the wall on this issue and don't care if it causes the talks to fail. This is heading for a train wreck.
The EU want a train wreck. They want economic woes for the British public.
They want to stop other EU countries getting the wrong idea and following the the UK.

Boris is right and should tell them to get stuffed. Democracy rules.
 
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Not sure what about that you think supports your initial point about the Foreign Office having 'extremely serious' work in the Brexit negotiations.

In practice, the Brexit Department has the responsibility for developing the negotiating position and delivering the negotiations. The International Trade Dept will have responsibility for the wider world future trade relationships.

FCO was quite a good move for both Boris and May. She gets to put him somewhere that he thinks suits his stature, but where he can do very little damage in real terms. He gets to have a nice title, do a lot of jetsetting, and gets to disavow the negotiations if they go tits up. But it's just wrong to suggest that the FCO has a very significant role in the BRexit negotiations.
We are in agreement.

I had an obviously compromised source that stated:

Building the UK’s prosperity by increasing exports and investment, opening markets, ensuring access to resources, and promoting sustainable global growth.
Supporting British nationals around the world through modern and efficient consular services.
Like I said earlier, silly me. Of course, the Foreign Office will have very little to do with this whole Brexit kerkuffle.
 


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