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Joint Authority as a temporary Brexit solution for NI?


jmcc

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Which voters? Which voters for the DUP and the UUP are going to stick around? I've even bolded the key letter in the acronyms for you.
And the U stands for Unionist. Perhaps you are not old enough to remember the GFA negotiations, the Ceasefires and what happened before them. The UUP was the dominant unionist party in NI. Now it is not. The DUP is currently the dominant unionist party in NI. JA allows for a gradual change rather than uncertainty. The abrupt change will be the Nationalist majority in the next few years. This will isolate the unionists and possibly destabilise the North. JA would provide an element of stability in the transition to an United Ireland.

All the major parties are united on the UK not being disrupted in exactly the way you're describing.
That can be changed.

I'm not sure you could point NI out on a map.
You don't seem to be sure about a lot of things.
 

livingstone

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And the U stands for Unionist. Perhaps you are not old enough to remember the GFA negotiations, the Ceasefires and what happened before them. The UUP was the dominant unionist party in NI. Now it is not. The DUP is currently the dominant unionist party in NI. JA allows for a gradual change rather than uncertainty. The abrupt change will be the Nationalist majority in the next few years. This will isolate the unionists and possibly destabilise the North. JA would provide an element of stability in the transition to an United Ireland.

That can be changed.

You don't seem to be sure about a lot of things.
All the various questions still unanswered:

1. Does this have a referendum?

2. What EU law would apply in Northern Ireland?

3. Which country would be responsible in international law for NI's compliance with EU law?

4. Why would a unionist who would be unwilling to accept the original EU version of the backstop vote for an arrangement that still imposes a customs border between NI and GB and still applies EU law in NI (across a wider range of areas) and which has the added salt of beginning an explicit process of unification?

5. Why would the UK Parliament who were be unwilling to accept the original EU version of the backstop vote for an arrangement that still imposes a customs border between NI and GB and still applies EU law in NI (across a wider range of areas) and which has the added salt of beginning an explicit process of unification?

6. Why would this be more attractive to the UK and unionists than the current version of the backstop - which involves no customs border between GB and NI, and does not cede any authority to Ireland?
 

jmcc

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6. Why would this be more attractive to the UK and unionists than the current version of the backstop - which involves no customs border between GB and NI, and does not cede any authority to Ireland?
Because all sides can claim that it was a win for their positions.
 

jmcc

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Yer wasting your time expecting anything rational out of that clown. Just let this ridiculous thread quietly die.
Lord Haw Haw telling Irish people how to run things in Ireland from the Irish county of New Zealand? That single mention in the Daily Mail seems to have gone to your head.
 

livingstone

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Because all sides can claim that it was a win for their positions.
No answer to questions 1 to 5 and a really rubbish answer to 6.

No they couldn't. How does an MP, or a minister, or an NI party, that spent a year arguing against any arrangement that would hive NI off in a separate customs territory claim as a win an arrangement that would do just that plus also ceding authority to Ireland.

Oh, and while you're at it:

1. Does this have a referendum?

2. What EU law would apply in Northern Ireland?

3. Which country would be responsible in international law for NI's compliance with EU law?

4. Why would a unionist who would be unwilling to accept the original EU version of the backstop vote for an arrangement that still imposes a customs border between NI and GB and still applies EU law in NI (across a wider range of areas) and which has the added salt of beginning an explicit process of unification?

5. Why would the UK Parliament who were be unwilling to accept the original EU version of the backstop vote for an arrangement that still imposes a customs border between NI and GB and still applies EU law in NI (across a wider range of areas) and which has the added salt of beginning an explicit process of unification?
 

Newrybhoy

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This respect for the GFA is very flexible from an Irish republican point of view.

Sf/Ira refuse to participate. ..........fine.

U.K. Wants to leave the EU......... scream and wail about tearing up the agreement.

Joint Authority..........fine.

A laugh a minute.
 

death or glory

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This respect for the GFA is very flexible from an Irish republican point of view.

Sf/Ira refuse to participate. ..........fine.

U.K. Wants to leave the EU......... scream and wail about tearing up the agreement.

Joint Authority..........fine.

A laugh a minute.
They haven't got a clue but hey]they'll always have their dreams.
 

hiding behind a poster

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Just noticed on RTE that the leader of the UUP (a small party up North) has been calling for Direct Rule to be imposed on NI.
UUP in call for direct rule for NI if no-deal Brexit

Could Joint Authority (Ireland and UK) over NI be a solution (the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit) in NI in that NI would simultaneously be in and out of the UK?
You for real? You seriously think the Tory party, who won't even accept the backstop, would even consi-.....

Ah FFS, no point in even continuing that.
 

Dame_Enda

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A government propped up by the DUP is in no condition to make concessions to us lets get real.
 
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No
Brits couldn't give a dam about Ireland north or south
Lets not settle for anything other than complete freedom for the people of NI
 

devonish

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No
Brits couldn't give a dam about Ireland north or south
Lets not settle for anything other than complete freedom for the people of NI
That's very good of you, will we in NI have the opportunity to determine what sort of "freedom" we want?
 

Mickeymac

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A government propped up by the DUP is in no condition to make concessions to us lets get real.

Indeed Dame...........


Wonderful description of the DUP.

"They are in turn sustained by a Northern Irish party of antediluvian beliefs that appears to have time traveled from the less enlightened parts of the seventeenth century, and whose leader’s idea of politics is to march at the head of a group of ill-educated bigots, who will muster far too few teeth in relation to number of feet, proceeding with drunken braggadocio along the streets of Cowdenbeath."

A blog worth reading - https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...comment-75549
 

Lumpy Talbot

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That's very good of you, will we in NI have the opportunity to determine what sort of "freedom" we want?
Looks better than the choice of being in or out of the EU you are being given at the moment, no?
 

Mickeymac

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Do you not understand that the UK economy is far more important to NI than the EU.

Pure economics.


Why do you keep avoiding, the proof, I requested when you claimed NE Ireland had the highest disposable income on the planet?
 

jmcc

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Why do you keep avoiding, the proof, I requested when you claimed NE Ireland had the highest disposable income on the planet?
So the people there won't mind it being disposed of in a no-deal Brexit?
 

livingstone

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So the people there won't mind it being disposed of in a no-deal Brexit?
Oh you're back to you thread.

Still dodging the questions I asked about your OP.

1. Does this have a referendum?

2. What EU law would apply in Northern Ireland?

3. Which country would be responsible in international law for NI's compliance with EU law?

4. Why would a unionist who would be unwilling to accept the original EU version of the backstop vote for an arrangement that still imposes a customs border between NI and GB and still applies EU law in NI (across a wider range of areas) and which has the added salt of beginning an explicit process of unification?

5. Why would the UK Parliament who were be unwilling to accept the original EU version of the backstop vote for an arrangement that still imposes a customs border between NI and GB and still applies EU law in NI (across a wider range of areas) and which has the added salt of beginning an explicit process of unification?
 

jmcc

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So does anyone think that May will bring up JA tonight with the dinner with Varadkar as a way of getting out of the Backstop problem?
 
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