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Jumbos on the way out means the A380 will never make a profit for Airbus

silverharp

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interesting presentation by a youtuber pilot, basic points, air travel is moving/growing point to point not spoke and hub. US airlines are/have phased out 747's. Emirates is practically the only buyer of the A380 at this stage, if they stop buying the lines close, if the lines close Emirates are stuck with planes they wont be able to get parts for. The hub and spoke model works for Emirates. essentially Airbus bet wrong with their 25bn investment.

[video=youtube;TaKNmbLDS_w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKNmbLDS_w[/video]
 


dizillusioned

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New generation of aircraft means 4 engines bad, 2 engines good.

There is NOTHING like flying on a 747 or an A380. They are superb planes both of them.

A380 was always going to be a short term bird. It is too big for many airports. It required many changes to infrastructure in airports and although it carried many people it also cost a lot to fly.

It will be a sad day to see these two beautiful (albeit ugly A380) airplanes go into the dustbin of aviation history.
 

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When these planes were being planned, Boeing and Airbus looked at super jumbos to replace the 747 which was the only jumbo to stay in production, both the DC10 and Tristar went out of production. Airbus gambled that the future market would be a hub and spoke model where jumbos would feed major centres like Heathrow and smaller planes would feed passengers in and out of the hubs. Boeing decided that they would go for smaller planes capable of flying point to point and did not develop a replacement for the 747.
 

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When these planes were being planned, Boeing and Airbus looked at super jumbos to replace the 747 which was the only jumbo to stay in production, both the DC10 and Tristar went out of production. Airbus gambled that the future market would be a hub and spoke model where jumbos would feed major centres like Heathrow and smaller planes would feed passengers in and out of the hubs. Boeing decided that they would go for smaller planes capable of flying point to point and did not develop a replacement for the 747.
Not entirely true....

Airbus went with both options with the A350 competing directly and doing well against the 787 and to a lesser extent will compete with the new generation 777 when they get going...

The A380 may prove to have been ahead of its time and may be resurrected in the future... or possibly not.

Regardless, Airbus have everything they've learned from it and would therefore be likely to be in a better position than Boeing to roll out an improved super jumbo if demand ever makes it a viable proposition.
 

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Surely the A380 has a future in high density countries, such as India, China, Pakistan & Bangladesh etc. ?

Was in Schiphol about 3 months ago.
It was interesting to watch both passengers and pilots stop what they were doing when an A380 passed by the window.
Truly awe-inspiring piece of aeronautical engineering.
 

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Surely the A380 has a future in high density countries, such as India, China, Pakistan & Bangladesh etc. ?

Was in Schiphol about 3 months ago.
It was interesting to watch both passengers and pilots stop what they were doing when an A380 passed by the window.
Truly awe-inspiring piece of aeronautical engineering.
but soooooooo ugly....;)
 

Spanner Island

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Surely the A380 has a future in high density countries, such as India, China, Pakistan & Bangladesh etc. ?

Was in Schiphol about 3 months ago.
It was interesting to watch both passengers and pilots stop what they were doing when an A380 passed by the window.
Truly awe-inspiring piece of aeronautical engineering.
It's an impressive sight without doubt... albeit an ugly yoke too...

There's little demand for it currently however.

Emirates are keeping it on life support for now but if no other orders emerge in the next few years it's bound to be mothballed or scrapped altogether.

There were rumours of an improved version being a possibility but Airbus needed big commitments to proceed which they didn't get.
 

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Has John Halligan persuaded Shane Ross to extend the runway at Waterford yet? He could pick up a few cheap A380's to revive the route to Luton.
 

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Has John Halligan persuaded Shane Ross to extend the runway at Waterford yet? He could pick up a few cheap A380's to revive the route to Luton.
Luton would need an extension too... but who knows... post Brexit they might be doing so well and Britain might be booming so much that it won't be a problem... if they can get past the NIMBYs that is... :cool:
 

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Not entirely true....

Airbus went with both options with the A350 competing directly and doing well against the 787 and to a lesser extent will compete with the new generation 777 when they get going...

The A380 may prove to have been ahead of its time and may be resurrected in the future... or possibly not.

Regardless, Airbus have everything they've learned from it and would therefore be likely to be in a better position than Boeing to roll out an improved super jumbo if demand ever makes it a viable proposition.
I suspect Boeing were influenced by how profitable the 747 was in making their decision, they made a lot of them so they would have a good idea of how profitable they were. I find the A380 super comfortable especially flying through the turbulence near the bay of Bengal but boarding is like going onto a ship, takes quite a time. Interestingly, I'd find a direct flight to Australia too long, I need a break after 12 hrs.
 

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I suspect Boeing were influenced by how profitable the 747 was in making their decision, they made a lot of them so they would have a good idea of how profitable they were. I find the A380 super comfortable especially flying through the turbulence near the bay of Bengal but boarding is like going onto a ship, takes quite a time. Interestingly, I'd find a direct flight to Australia too long, I need a break after 12 hrs.
Try first... its lovely.. no need for breaks then..:)
 

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if the lines close Emirates are stuck with planes they wont be able to get parts for.
An increasing amount of Airbus parts - in the original plane plus spares - are 3D printed now. In some cases a sub-assembly of 6 individual parts from multiple suppliers can be 3D printed in one shot. So the long tail in the life cycle of spare parts is less of an issue than it used to be.
 

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but soooooooo ugly....;)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and after flying in the Etihad version in the Apartment its a beautiful plane to fly inside. Also flew the Emirates in first now that was just way to bling, but better bar and shower. Flew the A350 also long haul in China Airlines business and defo preferred the A380.
 

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and after flying in the Etihad version in the Apartment its a beautiful plane to fly inside. Also flew the Emirates in first now that was just way to bling, but better bar and shower. Flew the A350 also long haul in China Airlines business and defo preferred the A380.
You gotta admit it puts the Ughhhhh in UGLY outside?? Inside they are beautiful. Emirates and Ethiad First is nice, (Its amazing what points can do..:) ) They are soooooo comfortable though to fly in.
 

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You gotta admit it puts the Ughhhhh in UGLY outside?? Inside they are beautiful. Emirates and Ethiad First is nice, (Its amazing what points can do..:) ) They are soooooo comfortable though to fly in.
Outside though they look like a pregnant Goldfish!
 

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The A380 may have been launched too soon. Following 9/11 and the 2008 financial crash airlines weren’t prepared to gamble on trying to fill something like an a380 when you could fill a 777 or 350 and take less risk.

There will be a need for much larger aircraft like the a380 in China and India.

I don’t buy the PR rubbish about talk of point to point etc long term there is market for both, but I suspect Airbus will have to do an a380neo.
 


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