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Junior Minister took €9,000 government jet flight for vote against by-elections


neutral_lurker

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The government jet was placed at the disposal of a government minister so he could vote in the Dáil against holding three by-elections and then take a late- night flight to Brussels.

The €9,000 flight for junior minister Dara Calleary was sanctioned by the Department of the Taoiseach for 29th Sept.

However, it has now emerged that Calleary took a separate flight to Brussels on Monday, 27 September on board the 'bigger' Gulfstream IV.

That journey, which lasted 190 minutes ended up costing the taxpayer close to €25,000 and also stopped off in Knock.

Calleary said it would not have been feasible for him to remain in Brussels for the entire week and that the combined €34,000 government jet bill was necessary.




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Not to worry a cut in SW or child benefit or something can make up the losses on the books!!!
 

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The arrogance of power. On a smaller level, you see Minister's Mercs parked illegally because they are above the law. Who do these people think they are?
 

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It's not the arrogance of power. There's a number of flights available much cheaper regularly on Mondays to Brussels:

Cheap Flights from Dublin (Ireland) to Brussels in October - Skyscanner Ireland

Now the excuse is:
He said commercial flights were not an option because of concerns over pairing arrangements in the Dáil. He said: "We could not [fly that way] because of the situation with the pairs. "You don't know what votes are going to be called and there could have been votes again on the Thursday," Calleary said.

"I don't pick the jet. I can't say I want one. It arose because of the situation regarding pairs and at one stage, I wasn't even sure if I was paired for Thursday. There could have been a vote on anything. If I had had a pair, we would have chosen a commercial flight."
Isn't that perfectly reasonable? Isn't the solution that FG, Lab and FF come to an agreement hat in the event of any travel difficulties (i.e flight delays) that they will pair a with TD regardless of what the issue is?
 

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Much as it is important to be reminded about these kind of things, the frequency of this kind of story just comes across as another bit of fuel to keep the national anger going. Mind you if there were any plans or work afoot in the present Govt. we wouldn't be reading this stuff anyway. Government actually costs money and Ministers have to be in lots of places, much as we might dislike to hear it. But it gives the Monday papers something to be upset about.
 

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Sure its all Kennys fault insisting on pairings.look at all the jobs he cost us in Ameriaca. What good is having a jet parked outside the door if we cannot use it
 

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More importantly, just what is the point of Dara Calleary?!
 

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Government actually costs money and Ministers have to be in lots of places, much as we might dislike to hear it.
So have a lot of people, many of whom are more important to this country & who don't have access to private jets. Why's a junior minister so special that he couldn't have adjusted his schedule to be in Dublin by road?
 

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Why's a junior minister so special that he couldn't have adjusted his schedule to be in Dublin by road?
Because he is in FF! Don't you realise FF has a divine right to rule and a right to treat the government jet as their own plaything!:p
 

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So have a lot of people, many of whom are more important to this country & who don't have access to private jets. Why's a junior minister so special that he couldn't have adjusted his schedule to be in Dublin by road?
Well first of all no one who works for a living drives from Brussels to Ireland. Second of all, you're missing the point. The point is that if you take a commercial flight for 70 euro, you might get delayed. If you get delayed in this case, the government might fall as there's no agreement on pairing anymore. So obviously the government pay for him to come back. FG would do the same in this situation, as would Labour. If the Minister was sitting on a company's board and his vote was vital, they'd pay the money too.

The solution is an agreement between all parties that in the event of travel delays there's an unconditional pairing situation in effect.

This is one of the many reasons that pairing is actually important to the running of an efficient democracy and shouldn't be mucked around with.
 

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One wonders what he was actually doing in Brussels. Was it very necessary for him to be there at all
 

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So are FF/Greens going to pay for this flight out of party coffers?
The sooner they get a video link system in place so these nobodys can vote from whatever location they are in the better
 

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One wonders what he was actually doing in Brussels. Was it very necessary for him to be there at all
One would know that from reading the article which details his itinerary. It seems he was there on legitimate business of State. The point of the pairing system is that people on that sort of business don't have to cut it short or return at large expense in order to vote. That's why people shouldn't mess with it.
 

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The government jet was placed at the disposal of a government minister so he could vote in the Dáil against holding three by-elections
So to sum up, the taxpayers paid so that a TD could make sure that the electorate could not get the chance to fill three vacant TD seats. Paying to thwart democracy.
 

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One would know that from reading the article which details his itinerary. It seems he was there on legitimate business of State. The point of the pairing system is that people on that sort of business don't have to cut it short or return at large expense in order to vote. That's why people shouldn't mess with it.
Your a funny guy,and yes you do amuse me!!
 

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Well first of all no one who works for a living drives from Brussels to Ireland. Second of all, you're missing the point. The point is that if you take a commercial flight for 70 euro, you might get delayed. If you get delayed in this case, the government might fall as there's no agreement on pairing anymore. So obviously the government pay for him to come back. FG would do the same in this situation, as would Labour. If the Minister was sitting on a company's board and his vote was vital, they'd pay the money too.

The solution is an agreement between all parties that in the event of travel delays there's an unconditional pairing situation in effect.

This is one of the many reasons that pairing is actually important to the running of an efficient democracy and shouldn't be mucked around with.

"The Government might fall" Can't wait!
 

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What's everyone's solution then? Forget about how much you like or dislike FF, or how much you like/dislike the vote that was on the table, because it's really not important to the issue at hand.

Let's say we're 6 years in the future, with an FG/Lab govt which has a slender majority.

Leo V and Ruairi Quinn are in Brussels on a european conference on EU finance. There's a vote on health reform coming up. FF have said they're not going to pair with you. You need them back to vote. The timing of the meeting means they can't easily make commercial flights, and if those flights were late FG/Lab will lose the vote. Is it acceptable to fly them privately?
 
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Has Sync been brainwashed By FF?

OMG is that their plan? Convert everyone to Fianna Fail through brainwashing? Now I know what 6.1 have been upto!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY19S4_zFXU"]YouTube - RTE 2011 News Ident[/ame]
 

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Has Sync been brainwashed By FF?

OMG is that their plan? Convert everyone to Fianna Fail through brainwashing? Now I know what 6.1 have been upto!

YouTube - RTE 2011 News Ident
That's very good. Needed to call him "Glorious Leader" though :) Look FF are patently hopeless, but this isn't about them. Pairing is an important part of a working government. This bill is a direct result of mucking about with it. If you have a working pairing system then you don't have to rush about trying to rush TDs back from government business abroad.
 
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