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Just how many Migrants would our Virtue Signaling Lefties admit into Ireland the Shinning City on a Hill?

Hans Von Horn

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Just how many Migrants would our Virtue Signaling Lefties admit into Ireland the Shinning City on a Hill?

One of the keys to getting elected or staying elected is to convince voters, particularly female voters, that you are altruistic. Suggesting that there is a Humanitarian Crisis, which is producing hordes of people, who can only be saved by giving them sanctuary in Ireland, is an appeal to the good nature of Irish People. It amounts to naked Virtue Signaling and it is getting a soft ride from our media in General.

We need to ask our Virtue Signaling Lefties, just how many or how few Migrants, they would restrict to seeking or gaining sanctuary in Ireland?

If our Virtue Signaling Lefties are made to concede a limit then they must also concede that we have an immigration policy. There is no point in having a policy, unless wee stick to it, and that means deporting illegals immediately lest we encourage more to come here illegally with a soft enforcement policy.

Our Virtue Signaling Lefties must ask just how many Irish People would be housed from our Housing List if we did not have a soft Illegal Immigration Policy.

How can our pensions be adequate in the future if we import hordes of dependent people into Ireland? One of the often trotted out excuses is that since the Irish Emigrated to the World that the World must be allowed to Immigrate to Ireland, which is portrayed as a Shinning City on a Hill Destination, a place of surplus and plenty.
 


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One of the keys to getting elected or staying elected is to convince voters, particularly female voters, that you are altruistic. Suggesting that there is a Humanitarian Crisis, which is producing hordes of people, who can only be saved by giving them sanctuary in Ireland, is an appeal to the good nature of Irish People. It amounts to naked Virtue Signaling and it is getting a soft ride from our media in General.

We need to ask our Virtue Signaling Lefties, just how many or how few Migrants, they would restrict to seeking or gaining sanctuary in Ireland?

If our Virtue Signaling Lefties are made to concede a limit then they must also concede that we have an immigration policy. There is no point in having a policy, unless wee stick to it, and that means deporting illegals immediately lest we encourage more to come here illegally with a soft enforcement policy.

Our Virtue Signaling Lefties must ask just how many Irish People would be housed from our Housing List if we did not have a soft Illegal Immigration Policy.

How can our pensions be adequate in the future if we import hordes of dependent people into Ireland? One of the often trotted out excuses is that since the Irish Emigrated to the World that the World must be allowed to Immigrate to Ireland, which is portrayed as a Shinning City on a Hill Destination, a place of surplus and plenty.
I consider myself left but i am against mass immigration. The future of the whole project looks very black indeed. Surely it is the right wing and those out for a fast buck who couldn't care less about the distant future and the ultimate consequences? Isn't that the definition of neoliberalism and isn't neoliberalism a right wing (for the markets) ideology?

The likes of Labour/IT i perceive as so called progressives - not 'left' at all. For the best of them race and identity are meaningless and we are all brothers under the sun of many colours (a position completely disproved by historical examination of when different cultures share a space and what happens) - for the worst of them there may be a sinister anti nationalist agenda concerned with unmaking nations and ethnicities. The latter are not a crazed fantasy or an exaggeration - in Germany in particular there are politicians who made speeches calling for the German people to be unmade by mass immigration and their culture to be changed. The former are the ones i would try to reach out to, they need a reality check.
 

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A good question. it's been asked before. John Waters about 10 years ago was on the Late Late Show and he said he asked his his right-on mates how many we should let in.

No answer.

So he asked 50? They said "Don't be ridiculous!".


So he asked 50 million? They said "Don't be ridiculous!".


So he asked how many again?

Still no answer.

You see, if the virtue signallers actually cap it and then the inevitable pictures of more needing to get in are shown, the virtue signallers will have lost some of their lustre.

And that's what it's really about.
 

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in Germany in particular there are politicians who made speeches calling for the German people to be unmade by mass immigration and their culture to be changed.
[video=youtube;riQh4Qpvxm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQh4Qpvxm4[/video]

Gregor Gysi, the head of Germany's third largest political party, The Left (Die Linke), which emerged in part from the old East German communist party, the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. He calls Native Germans "Nazis" and Their Extinction "Fortunate"

[video=youtube;v3gc29Fl83Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3gc29Fl83Y[/video]

Stefanie von Berg (Greens), celebrates the fact that mass migration will bring an end to German majority populations in cities within a few decades.

“Our society will change,” asserts Von Berg. “Our city will change radically. I hold that in 20, 30 years there will no longer be (German) majority in our city.”

“We will have plenty of people and live in a supercultural society. This is what we will have in the future. And I want to make it very clear, especially towards those right wingers, this is a good thing!” she added.

....

I agree with you though, there is push from both those who might be described as on the right and left for mass-immigration. That's why Marine Le Pen sees the conflict as one between nationalists and globalists.
 

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A good question. it's been asked before. John Waters about 10 years ago was on the Late Late Show and he said he asked his his right-on mates how many we should let in.

No answer.

So he asked 50? They said "Don't be ridiculous!".


So he asked 50 million? They said "Don't be ridiculous!".


So he asked how many again?

Still no answer.

You see, if the virtue signallers actually cap it and then the inevitable pictures of more needing to get in are shown, the virtue signallers will have lost some of their lustre.

And that's what it's really about.
Got into a heated argument with a guy over Clare Daly's proposal to use the Irish navy to ferry migrants from the Med into Ireland.

"When LE Eithne and LE Niamh rescue migrants in these precarious waters, they should be regarded as Irish property and their entry into Ireland should be facilitated. "

I called the proposal the stupidest thing I had heard. He had voted for here and he was incensed that I would just "let the migrants drown". I asked him what is the limit Ireland has on African migrants transported in this manner.

"I don't know".

But surely there is a limit?

"I don't know".

He began shouting this.

I put it to him that surely there is a limit and once Ireland reaches that limit, the next boat of migrants in the med will drown.

No answer. He was so angry I decided to end the discussion.
 

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What's a shinning city? And isn't Ireland a country?
 

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cunnyfunt

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One of the keys to getting elected or staying elected is to convince voters, particularly female voters, that you are altruistic. Suggesting that there is a Humanitarian Crisis, which is producing hordes of people, who can only be saved by giving them sanctuary in Ireland, is an appeal to the good nature of Irish People. It amounts to naked Virtue Signaling and it is getting a soft ride from our media in General.

We need to ask our Virtue Signaling Lefties, just how many or how few Migrants, they would restrict to seeking or gaining sanctuary in Ireland?

If our Virtue Signaling Lefties are made to concede a limit then they must also concede that we have an immigration policy. There is no point in having a policy, unless wee stick to it, and that means deporting illegals immediately lest we encourage more to come here illegally with a soft enforcement policy.

Our Virtue Signaling Lefties must ask just how many Irish People would be housed from our Housing List if we did not have a soft Illegal Immigration Policy.

How can our pensions be adequate in the future if we import hordes of dependent people into Ireland? One of the often trotted out excuses is that since the Irish Emigrated to the World that the World must be allowed to Immigrate to Ireland, which is portrayed as a Shinning City on a Hill Destination, a place of surplus and plenty.
My first question would be, how much does one refugee cost the state per week? Second question, how many working Irish peoples weekly salaries would be needed too pay for this?
 

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As the op refers to migrants I gather the question is related therefore to any foreign national who wishes to come here including citizens of EU countries etc.
 

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We took in loads of Spanish women and kids during the Spanish civil War.
They stayed in camps. Given shelter, warmth and security. They went back after the war ended.
A perfectly working system.

Some time since, someone decided to change this working strategy and instead decided to take in people from where no conflict was ongoing. The asylum status also became permanent. Tens of thousands of Nigerians got permanent residence in Ireland despite having a homicide rate similar to Greenland and a functioning Government.

The people who made that decision are responsible for the dead bodies in the Med as they used up all the Nations resources on chancers. My conscience is clear.
 

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We took in loads of Spanish women and kids during the Spanish civil War.
They stayed in camps. Given shelter, warmth and security. They went back after the war ended.
A perfectly working system.

Some time since, someone decided to change this working strategy and instead decided to take in people from where no conflict was ongoing. The asylum status also became permanent. Tens of thousands of Nigerians got permanent residence in Ireland despite having a homicide rate similar to Greenland and a functioning Government.

The people who made that decision are responsible for the dead bodies in the Med as they used up all the Nations resources on chancers. My conscience is clear.

Why are the third world flooding europe? Welfare. There's the problem right there.
 

Truth.ie

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Why are the third world flooding europe? Welfare. There's the problem right there.
Of course, it's the reason.
People from Bangladesh are not fleeing to neighbouring India, even though it is both safe and economically booming.
 

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Yep. Notice how they all made a bee-line for welfare rich Sweden. The Swedes thought it was their finest acheivement. It could be their undoing as a country.
 

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[video=youtube;riQh4Qpvxm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQh4Qpvxm4[/video]

Gregor Gysi, the head of Germany's third largest political party, The Left (Die Linke), which emerged in part from the old East German communist party, the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. He calls Native Germans "Nazis" and Their Extinction "Fortunate"

[video=youtube;v3gc29Fl83Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3gc29Fl83Y[/video]

Stefanie von Berg (Greens), celebrates the fact that mass migration will bring an end to German majority populations in cities within a few decades.

“Our society will change,” asserts Von Berg. “Our city will change radically. I hold that in 20, 30 years there will no longer be (German) majority in our city.”

“We will have plenty of people and live in a supercultural society. This is what we will have in the future. And I want to make it very clear, especially towards those right wingers, this is a good thing!” she added.

....

I agree with you though, there is push from both those who might be described as on the right and left for mass-immigration. That's why Marine Le Pen sees the conflict as one between nationalists and globalists.
She is supposed to be Green but a true Green would not allow cultures that overproduce to move around and spread their practices in lands that have already controlled their breeding rate. Countries which have cultures that deny female control over their reproduction (something i support within limits, against abortion on demand) and sexuality should not be permitted to export those beliefs. If a country has a population growth rate of 5% then it's citizens should (from a green perspective) remain inside those borders until they sort it out. Otherwise they will send their excess people out to spread those beliefs elsewhere and nothing changes at home either. The only way to contain overpopulation is on a nation by nation basis, punishment and reward - and we must cure ourselves of our addiction to ever increasing economic growth somehow.

Humanity needs to control it's size - it is not sustainable and THAT is a true green policy - not that awful woman who hates cultures that are concerned about sustainability. True greens live in the real world, all around them they see fantasy.
 

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