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Justine McCarthy - Deep Deception - Swimming Paedophile Ring?


Malbekh

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You know, even when you get older and a lot harder and more cynical, there are still some things out there that really make you mad.

Article in the Sunday Times being a timely reminder about the sewer that was the upper echelon of the various swimming bodies in Ireland in the 80's and 90's. What disgusts me is not just the rampant paedophiles like George Gibney and Derry O'Rourke, but the protection that was afforded to them by the various sports bodies and schools they were involved in.

You can read more about this story and the few brave individuals who stood to these scum and the authorities that protected them here:

Justine McCarthy's Deep Deception book gives abuse victims a voice - Times Online
 


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and it doesnt end there.......many more 'sporting/youth organisations', it seems, were the home of people actively involved in the support of activities which were not in the interests of children through the 80's and 90's........

and you have to ask the question.....where are they now?.....and what threat do they pose?.....and who really cares?.......
 

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That should be read. My respect for O'Toole just shot up. Ostracisation is very tough to deal with. Respect to the whistleblowers.
Powerful book.

When Karen Leach spoke last Monday night at the launch of Deep Deception: Ireland’s Swimming Scandals, the audience wept. The former competitive swimmer recalled the many times she attempted suicide because of the crimes her coach, Derry O’Rourke, committed against her when she was a child.

She talked about being in a secure unit of St John of God Hospital in Dublin one Friday night eight years ago and seeing Colm O’Gorman, the founder of the sexual abuse charity One in Four, who was sexually assaulted by Fr Sean Fortune in Ferns, on The Late Late Show. She made two resolutions that night: that she would live, and that, some day, she too would speak out.

Listening in the audience was the mother of a young woman whose life has been frozen for nearly 20 years because of what another swim coach did. The mother came because the daughter could not, having been released two days earlier from a psychiatric hospital. When she was 17 and one of the brightest swimming stars around, she was raped and imprisoned in a Florida hotel room by George Gibney. In the years since, she has tried drowning, overdosing, starving and cutting herself.

When gardai called to her home to say the DPP had decided not to charge Gibney with her rape, she went to a field and hanged herself from a tree with a scarf. A priest found her before it was too late.

Frank McCann : To catapult himself into the most powerful position in the administration of the sport, he murdered his wife, Esther, and his 18-month-old niece, Jessica, by setting fire to the family home while they slept. He did it to stop swimming’s hierarchy from finding out that he had made an underage swimmer with special needs pregnant.

Deep Deception book gives abuse victims a voice

Could the mods merge this thread with this thread?:

Deep Deception book gives abuse victims voice
 

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I very nearly had to put this down this morning. Horrifying stuff. When it comes to the care of children being placed in the hands of "respectable" and largely unquestionable elements of society, Ireland's record is fairly depressing.
 

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When Bennett was convicted on charges of sexually abusing boys, he got a five-year suspended sentence. On appeal by the DPP, he was sentenced to a year in custody. On release last January, he had served 10 months.
Derry O’Rourke was convicted on 55 charges of abusing 18 girls, with cumulative jail sentences of 130 years, making him Ireland’s most convicted paedophile. He had served nine years when he was released from the Midlands Prison on March 1, 2007.
i cant help wondering - are the judicary involved? why the lenient sentences? who are they covering up for?
 

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Powerful book.

When Karen Leach spoke last Monday night at the launch of Deep Deception: Ireland’s Swimming Scandals, the audience wept. The former competitive swimmer recalled the many times she attempted suicide because of the crimes her coach, Derry O’Rourke, committed against her when she was a child.

She talked about being in a secure unit of St John of God Hospital in Dublin one Friday night eight years ago and seeing Colm O’Gorman, the founder of the sexual abuse charity One in Four, who was sexually assaulted by Fr Sean Fortune in Ferns, on The Late Late Show. She made two resolutions that night: that she would live, and that, some day, she too would speak out.

Listening in the audience was the mother of a young woman whose life has been frozen for nearly 20 years because of what another swim coach did. The mother came because the daughter could not, having been released two days earlier from a psychiatric hospital. When she was 17 and one of the brightest swimming stars around, she was raped and imprisoned in a Florida hotel room by George Gibney. In the years since, she has tried drowning, overdosing, starving and cutting herself.

When gardai called to her home to say the DPP had decided not to charge Gibney with her rape, she went to a field and hanged herself from a tree with a scarf. A priest found her before it was too late.

Frank McCann : To catapult himself into the most powerful position in the administration of the sport, he murdered his wife, Esther, and his 18-month-old niece, Jessica, by setting fire to the family home while they slept. He did it to stop swimming’s hierarchy from finding out that he had made an underage swimmer with special needs pregnant.

Deep Deception book gives abuse victims a voice

Could the mods merge this thread with this thread?:

Deep Deception book gives abuse victims voice
Why would someone hang themselves,it would make more sense to kill the abuser then kill themselves.
 

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Why would someone hang themselves,it would make more sense to kill the abuser then kill themselves.
Because it's not about revenge, it's about living with the abuse. Or not being able to, as the case may be.
 

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I noticed this book on the shelves as I was about to board a plane recently and grabbed a copy. After spending over a decade in a couple of the clubs mentioned in the book when I was a kid Id heard alot of the early rumours before the full waters broke back in early '93. At that stage I was coming to the end of my time swimming. It took me about a day to read the book. Couldnt put it down.

As mentioned before serious respect goes to both Gary and Aiden O'Toole for their efforts to bring the horrific actions of both George Gibney and Derry O'Rouke to the attention of the IASA and more importantly, the parents of the swimmers still training at the effected clubs and teams. Additionally I think the attitude of Bart Nolan (both Snr and Jnr) is a fair representation of some of the people who spent their childhoods swimming around this time.

Having been on a couple of the training events mentioned in the book, to those effected - whether they came forward or not, Id say - sorry for not being more aware of what the hell was going on. As a 15/16 year old boy at the time Id really no idea, but as I read the book memories of peoples attitudes and actions during those trips nearly 20 years ago came back pretty quickly. The lives they've been left to lead is horrific and for some there seems there'll be no justice.

As mentioned in the book - a chef that lifted 3 paintings from a Dublin restaurant was extradited from the U.S. A child molester that imprisoned and raped a 17 year old girl and continued to systematically manipulate all around for years is never brought back to face charges. What justice is there for the victims of George Gibney ? What message does this send to victims of sexual abuse in this country ?

To coincide with the publication of this book the Trojan website has been updated. The archived gallery of photo's from all the old training camps (including the club trips to Florida) and gala's are not available anymore. Id like to think this was a coincidence or done to stop speculation as opposed to hiding things under the carpet, again.
 
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A thread like this shows that the oft mentioned and pushed idea that it was only the Catholic Clergy abusing kids was always being used as a stick with which to beat the church.

Accepting the fact that abuse of kids has gone on in sporting clubs, care home and family homes is something people want to ignore because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Think the fact that its only getting to page 2 after 2 weeks shows really what people think.

If it had been Catholic Swimming Clubs then post 250 would already have been got to.

Kudos to Interested 1 but as has been shown in other Paedophile scandals the perpetrators target the vulnerable and are good at hiding.
 
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A thread like this shows that the oft mentioned and pushed idea that it was only the Catholic Clergy abusing kids was always being used as a stick with which to beat the church.

Accepting the fact that abuse of kids has gone on in sporting clubs, care home and family homes is something people want to ignore because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Think the fact that its only getting to page 2 after 2 weeks shows really what people think.

If it had been Catholic Swimming Clubs then post 250 would already have been got to.

Kudos to Interested 1 but as has been shown in other Paedophile scandals the perpetrators target the vulnerable and are good at hiding.
Include Rugby and tennis in your list of sporting clubs. Not just swimming. This has been well covered up by private schools and rugby/tennis fraternity. Nice middle class people like to think this wasn't happening in their select socail stratum.
 

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Well done Obie1

Within ten posts we get whataboutery about the Catholic Church.. do we not have enough threads on that.. can't we debate why this has happened in Irish society at a level that appears extreme.. where did we go wrong and how can we prevent it happening again while maintaining a open society?
 

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Unbelievable....

why is it that religious and sporting organisations were/are actively protecting paedophiles??????

i'm against the death penalty but all those who committed those abuses and aided the abusers should be put up against the wall and shot.
 
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Well done Obie1

Within ten posts we get whataboutery about the Catholic Church.. do we not have enough threads on that.. can't we debate why this has happened in Irish society at a level that appears extreme.. where did we go wrong and how can we prevent it happening again while maintaining a open society?

You debate has got to 2nd page after 2 weeks which pretty much shows people don't give a FC uk. However had the thread title included Catholic Church it would have 20 plus pages by now that shows you the debate.
 

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A thread like this shows that the oft mentioned and pushed idea that it was only the Catholic Clergy abusing kids was always being used as a stick with which to beat the church.

Accepting the fact that abuse of kids has gone on in sporting clubs, care home and family homes is something people want to ignore because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Think the fact that its only getting to page 2 after 2 weeks shows really what people think.

If it had been Catholic Swimming Clubs then post 250 would already have been got to.

Kudos to Interested 1 but as has been shown in other Paedophile scandals the perpetrators target the vulnerable and are good at hiding.
This was posted two weeks ago by myself: Deep Deception Gives Abuse Victims Voice using the tags: abuse, gibney, iasa, smimming - still on Page one though it's had over 100 views so far.
 

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Back again...

Former swim coach guilty of assault - The Irish Times - Wed, Nov 04, 2009

A former national and Olympic swimming coach has been convicted of 35 offences relating to the sexual assault of five young boys.

Gerard Doyle (48), originally from Wexford town, was found guilty of 34 charges of indecent assault and one charge of sexual assault at Wexford Circuit Court today.
I think this needs to be investigated as thoroughly, quickly and cheaply as possible. I personally do not believe that this number of paedophiles could have worked independent of each other, nor that certain authorities were not aware of their activities.
 

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Anywhere there is unsupervised close contact with children you will find Peadophiles. They are very good at hiding there darker side and they come in all shapes and sizes. Look at all the classic tales that you read to kids. They all involve young children being abducted by various evil doers.

I have to say if anyone interfered with my kids I'd have to drive over the offender in my car and then drink a bottle of whisky while calling the ambulance. There is no way it would ever see the inside of a court.
 
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Anywhere there is unsupervised close contact with children you will find Peadophiles. They are very good at hiding there darker side and they come in all shapes and sizes. Look at all the classic tales that you read to kids. They all involve young children being abducted by various evil doers.

I have to say if anyone interfered with my kids I'd have to drive over the offender in my car and then drink a bottle of whisky while calling the ambulance. There is no way it would ever see the inside of a court.
Whats with this ambulance thing !!!!! Why not funeral director ?
 

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..I was rooted to the spot with terror

STATEMENT: SWIMMING’S GOVERNING body Swim Ireland said yesterday that the events at the centre of the Ger Doyle case took place before resources had been put in place to improve child-protection procedures in the sport.
In a statement, chairman of the board of Swim Ireland Phillip Fitzpatrick said the board and executive “note the court decision in respect of child abuse offences against minors in New Ross”.

Swim Ireland Statement
 

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