-Keep The Magdalene Laundry For The Victims, Not yours to sell! Take 2 13 September from 13:00-15:00 Next Week!!!!!!!!!

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So what did you lot do with your unwed pregnant women and the children they had?

I’ve asked this question of you before, more than once iirc.

Roisin3,


The people who ran these institutions didn't LIVE real Christian values.



There was a COUNTER EXAMPLE where things were done differently ~


REGINA COELI HOSTEL


17 January 2018
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http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-83.html#post11769659


Progressive Founder of Legion of Mary - Frank Duff - DENOUNCED IRISH STATE'S Mother and Baby Homes and Magdalene Laundries ....



THE UNMARRIED WOMEN AND GIRLS WHO ENTERED REGINA COELI HOSTEL WERE THE LUCKY ONES...



The founder of the Legion of Mary [Frank Duff] was not impressed by the official approach to unmarried mothers and their children in the first half of the 20th century and so he founded a hostel in Dublin which was much more humane than the controversial mother and baby homes.


In a talk sponsored by the Iona Institute, Finola Kennedy, author of Frank Duff: A Life Story, explained that when Frank Duff set up his Regina Coeli hostel for homeless women in 1930, he found that many of the women arriving for help and for shelter were unmarried mothers.


He sought to help them, not stigmatise them. He helped these women keep their babies and to raise them. He was opposed to separating these mothers from their children except in rare circumstances.


Dr [Finola] Kennedy highlighted how the Legion founder was critical of the country’s industrial schools, and under his leadership, the Legion of Mary rose above the attitudes of the time.


On 1 October 1930, the Regina Coeli hostel was opened by Frank Duff in North Brunswick Street in Dublin.


The official approach to unmarried mothers and their children did not appeal to Frank Duff.


Unmarried mothers were divided into two classes: (a) first offenders, to be dealt with in the same institution as children until the children were fostered or boarded out and (b) old offenders to be sent to a Magdalen Asylum.


In a memorandum entitled ‘The Amendment of the Criminal Law’ written by Duff in 1930 in preparation for the evidence which he gave to the Criminal Law Amendment Committee (Carrigan Committee), he emphasised his concern for unmarried mothers.


He compared the harsh treatment of mothers with that of those who fathered children outside marriage.


He also pointed out how easy it was for a young unmarried woman who became pregnant to be recruited into prostitution, because she lacked any form of financial support.


Every homeless woman admitted into the Regina Coeli would pay a small contribution towards her keep and a “task system” of laundry or domestic work would be avoided at all costs.



If the women could not afford the tariff, bottles or jampots, which could be redeemed for money in those days, would be accepted. The object was to create “A home-life feeling about the place”.



Duff stressed that the surroundings should be as beautiful as possible, as “The silent influence of beautiful and artistic surroundings is incalculable.”


By Sarah MacDonald
28 April, 2017
Interesting Source: https://www.catholicireland.net/frank-duffs-care-unmarried-mothers-children-praised/


14 May 2018
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http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-226.html#post12068724


The women needed a helping hand up, not beaten down, publicly humiliated, forced in to slave labour by sadists… As far as one can tell, Regina Coeli Hostel met the women and children's needs at the source:
14 May 2018
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http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-226.html#post12068817


The women needed a helping hand up, not beaten down, publicly humiliated, forced in to slave labour by sadists… As far as one can tell, Regina Coeli Hostel met the women and children's needs at the source:


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...lled-1.3064272


Soon after opening, a pregnant woman sought admission. Her entry to the hostel, remaining there subsequently, and keeping her child, led to the inauguration of the Mater Dei aspect of the hostel, a type of hostel within a hostel, specifically organised on the basis of units for mothers and children,” she said.


Step-down facilities


Later, the Legion of Mary acquired houses in North Great Georges Street “which were divided into flats and could be used by the women and their children as step-down facilities before moving on to independent living”.


The object, Duff said, was “to create “a home-life feeling about the place”. Duff stressed that the surroundings should be as beautiful as possible as “the silent influence of beautiful and artistic surroundings is incalculable” ….


…. Duff attributed difficulties encountered by children when they left industrial schools to “the absence of the children’s mothers during a period of life when such is necessary to the children. The consequence is that a peculiar and unnatural life is lived by those children.”


Forty years after the hostel opened, Duff reflected how “the success of the method has been positively incredible. About 3,500 children have been dealt with in the intervening time. All but the handful at present resident in the hostel have gone out into the world and have been living the ordinary life of the community.”
 


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If you can make it during your lunch break or whatever that'd be great. This dark period of our history should not be airbrushed.
I'm very sorry I can't be there to support you in this. And you are quite right in that the first reason why the Dublin City Council must not be allowed to sell the Laundry building is that, having been built by the sweat of the unpaid labour of its inmates and the inmates of other laundries, it's not theirs (or ours) to sell.

Did you have to use nine exclamation marks in the thread title, though? It's the first ever post I've given a like despite such appalling profligacy.
 

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scary how he looked so harmless smiling, shaking hands, taking that selfie.. then he made those disgusting comments about LGBT being a mental problem

Pope Francis didn't visit Sean McDermott Magdalene Laundry even though he was in the same street venerating the ascetic (self-mortifier who wrapped himself up in chains) Matt Talbot's tomb (Talbot died in 1925).


http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/265693-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-second-thread-29.html#post12369159
 

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Below is testimony of man who was in charge of unearthing remains of Magdalene women. A simple gravedigger. He spoke on record, so it’s not conjecture or misinformation, it’s the truth

Barney was indeed a simple gravedigger - its kinda unlikely he was in charge of this operation

And in fairness he didn't claim he was

SLR was an experienced interviewer with an agenda

- Barney had never done an interview before in his Life....
 

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I'm very sorry I can't be there to support you in this. And you are quite right in that the first reason why the Dublin City Council must not be allowed to sell the Laundry building is that, having been built by the sweat of the unpaid labour of its inmates and the inmates of other laundries, it's not theirs (or ours) to sell.

Did you have to use nine exclamation marks in the thread title, though? It's the first ever post I've given a like despite such appalling profligacy.
Apparently this is not the Laundry Building!

Which I read knocked down years ago...

TOO LATE FOLKS!:cool:
 

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Roisin3,


The people who ran these institutions didn't LIVE real Christian values.



There was a COUNTER EXAMPLE where things were done differently ~


REGINA COELI HOSTEL


17 January 2018
#828
http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-83.html#post11769659






14 May 2018
#2252
http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-226.html#post12068724


The women needed a helping hand up, not beaten down, publicly humiliated, forced in to slave labour by sadists… As far as one can tell, Regina Coeli Hostel met the women and children's needs at the source:
14 May 2018
#2260
http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-226.html#post12068817
He was indeed a great man and was instrumental in getting the Monto Brothels put out of business

- a blot on our City's history that is now celebrated in murals just a one minute walk from where the old convent building is now situated
 

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The place should be raised to the ground and affordable housing built on it. Fricking ridiculous wanting the place left as some kind of memorial.
 

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It's hard to believe that in relatively recent years there were calls to demolish Kilmainham Gaol and permanently erase memories of Irish suffering and oppression ~

4 February 2018

http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-original-thread-103.html#post11814574



4 February 2018

Absolutely brilliant short video clip with historical commentary on Kilmainham Gaol ~

http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-original-thread-103.html#post11814586



3 February 2018

A stunningly beautiful church within Sean McDermott Street Magdalene Laundry 2-Acre site (view beginning of video) ~

http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-original-thread-103.html#post11812869

Magdalene Laundry Sean Mc Dermott Street Video 5
Joanne O' Riordan
Published on Mar 13, 2017


2 X Sample *Proforma Letters,* copy and paste, and then send to YOUR Dublin City Councillor requesting they VOTE AGAINST SALE OF SEAN MCDERMOTT STREET MAGDALENE LAUNDRY 2-ACRE SITE...

http://www.politics.ie/forum/events/266278-keep-magdalene-laundry-victims-not-yours-sell-take-2-13-september-13-00-15-00-next-week-5.html#post12367011
 

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https://twitter.com/1garygannon?lang=en



Gary Gannon‏ @1GaryGannon 23h23 hours ago



On Thursday, I’ll once again bring the attached motion to DCC to #StopTheSale of the Magdalene Laundry. It would appear that a majority of my fellow Cllrs on DCC *agree that this is an inappropriate sell off* so Thursday’s vote will test where power resides in our City.


 

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Roisin3,


The people who ran these institutions didn't LIVE real Christian values.



There was a COUNTER EXAMPLE where things were done differently ~


REGINA COELI HOSTEL


17 January 2018
#828
http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-83.html#post11769659






14 May 2018
#2252
http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-226.html#post12068724


The women needed a helping hand up, not beaten down, publicly humiliated, forced in to slave labour by sadists… As far as one can tell, Regina Coeli Hostel met the women and children's needs at the source:
14 May 2018
#2260
http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-226.html#post12068817
This is proof positive that there was an alternative. It was not a foregone conclusion that unmarried mothers would be treated as criminals because no other possibility existed in the minds of devout Catholics.
 

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It's hard to believe that in relatively recent years there were calls to demolish Kilmainham Gaol and permanently erase memories of Irish suffering and oppression ~

4 February 2018

http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-original-thread-103.html#post11814574



4 February 2018

Absolutely brilliant short video clip with historical commentary on Kilmainham Gaol ~

http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-original-thread-103.html#post11814586



3 February 2018

A stunningly beautiful church within Sean McDermott Street Magdalene Laundry 2-Acre site (view beginning of video) ~

http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-original-thread-103.html#post11812869





2 X Sample *Proforma Letters,* copy and paste, and then send to YOUR Dublin City Councillor requesting they VOTE AGAINST SALE OF SEAN MCDERMOTT STREET MAGDALENE LAUNDRY 2-ACRE SITE...

http://www.politics.ie/forum/events/266278-keep-magdalene-laundry-victims-not-yours-sell-take-2-13-september-13-00-15-00-next-week-5.html#post12367011
Anyone who opposes the demolition of these places and the building of Social housing in their place has no business complaining about the cost of housing in Dublin or homelessness. All that keeping either of them does is make money for their owners and dark tourism isn't something to encourage. I'm really sick and tired of the bash the Brits and bash the Church crap. Lets just get past it and make positive changes. Those sites are large enough to build a lot of homes. It would be extremely fitting to replace the Laundry with Social housing for families instead of keeping it as a tut tut virtue signalling site.
 

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I'm very sorry I can't be there to support you in this. And you are quite right in that the first reason why the Dublin City Council must not be allowed to sell the Laundry building is that, having been built by the sweat of the unpaid labour of its inmates and the inmates of other laundries, it's not theirs (or ours) to sell.

Did you have to use nine exclamation marks in the thread title, though? It's the first ever post I've given a like despite such appalling profligacy.
If that site were used to build Social housing for families it would actually serve a purpose, no point banging on about laundries, they were horrendous, but all in all nobody really cares anymore. As horrible as that sounds in 20 years time very few people will even remember but homelessness will still be with us.
 

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were a full one percent of the population of NI banged up during the troubles?

And these women weren't terrorists.

Away with your pathetic whataboutery.
you drag "Gulags" onto this thread, & then you accuse me of "whataboutery", when I remind you of the "Gulags" of the Six County state.
you sure got a brass neck !!!!

"were a full one percent of the population of NI banged up during the troubles? "

yeah - "banged up" is indeed a good term to describe how the Catholics of the Six Counties were treated by your Unionist Stormont government, when they held power within your gerrymandered statelet,
& as you know well, within the Catholic "Gulags" of your own city of Derry.
 

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Sean McDermott Magdalene Laundry Proposal is A GROSS INSULT TO SURVIVORS AND VICTIMS




***This wee bit of memorial shrubbery won't last a thousand years, nor serve as a permanent reminder preventing a recurrence of abuses of the vulnerable***



Dublin City Council says sale of former Magdalene Laundry site is 'chance of a lifetime'








Source: Dublin City Council



In its report, DCC states that Toyoko has “indicated its awareness of the historic and very sensitive nature of the site”.

“They are very happy to include a memorial garden to commemorate former workers in the Magdalene Laundries here and throughout the country. The memorial garden is beautifully situated and adjoins the Chapel which is of real architectural merit.”




WHAT AN INSULT. THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.





#NoWeePlaque
 

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https://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2011/0209/646632-radio-documentary-close-the-door/

Interviews with some of the women in 1990.

Very honest interviews where some talk about their lives on the streets.
People need to listen to this doc from 1990.

It interviews some of the women who were working their in 1990.

Many were in the place voluntarily. Some even left and came back to it.

One women talks about how her family turned their back on her and never visit.
 

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A Stolen Childhood ('affection, joy and happiness, freedom, wild child') by Satanic Sisters (SS) Our Lady of Charity who ran St Mary's Laundry, Stanhope Street, Dublin:


http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/255981-castlepollard-exclusion-commission-mother-baby-homes-inquiry-original-thread-255.html#post12171356







Kathleen Kealey Aebi who returned to Ireland for the two-day Magdalene Gathering in June 2018




Kathleen Aebi-Kealey spent six years in St Mary's Laundry on Dublin's Stanhope Street. It was a Magdalene laundry run by the Sisters of Charity. She is originally from Portlaoise and was the fourth youngest of a family of 10. She was sent to the laundry to get educated. At least that is what the parish priest convinced her parents would happen.



'The fat nun slapped me across the face. That's how you humiliate a 12-year-old. Slap them across the face"

by Marie-Louise O'Donnell

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-was-told-thats-how-you-humiliate-a-12yearold-one-irish-survivors-story-37011789.html
 

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https://twitter.com/1GaryGannon/status/1039561061190524928



Gary Gannon‏ @1GaryGannon 10h10 hours ago


For management of DCC to describe the sale of the former Magdalene laundry site as ‘the chance of a lifetime’ is a bit of a stretch- the North Inner City is a community that is surrounded by commercial infrastructural including hotels of various sizes.


Gary Gannon‏ @1GaryGannon 10h10 hours ago


Amongst the many difficulties I have with the report- was the fact that the report referred to the women and young girls incarcerated within these institutions as ‘workers’.


Gary Gannon‏ @1GaryGannon 10h10 hours ago


It is a grossly insensitive description of the victims and survivors of Magdalene Laundries whose enforced servitude was neither compensated nor offered with any semblance of choice.


Gary Gannon Retweeted
Dr Maeve O'Rourke‏ @maeveorourke 9h9 hours ago
Dr Maeve O'Rourke Retweeted Gary Gannon


Thread worth reading from @1GaryGannon. It is the ultimate irony that the State would outsource memorialising the hideous institutional slavery & torture caused by its outsourcing of social responsibility throughout the 20th century #StopTheSale @DubCityCouncil @CiaranCuffe
 

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