Keeping FF out - what political reform can FG/Labour bring in to achieve this?

Congalltee

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Three preliminary points:-
- the last time they tried it, it back fired royally on them and ultimately the country.
- FF has left a poisoned well behind them. The theft of the the Pension Reserve fund and cash, the four year plan, retail mortgage default to come had left very little room to manoeuvre.
- FF had never lost two elections in a row (apart from 1927).

Electoral system
This has been FF's best friend - even though it was they who tried to get rid of if twice. Now it could be their saviour. A smaller Dail elected in four constituencies might serve us better.

FF's route back.
The 2014 local elections. This is bread and butter stuff to ff'ers. They will build a base for the following general.

The Cronies
State boards. Quangoes. Visiting committees. Whatever. They are packed full of FF'ers and need to be removed.

The meeja
Rte is pro-government as it's funding is dependent on it. It also had to many FF gene pool. These too should be purged. The quality of it journalism is also quite poor (eg vox pops and David Murphy's last question to Chopra 'how did you find your stay in Ireland?').
There are also print and local radio in the hands of too few.

The Senate.
In theory it is a good idea. In practice it is irrelevant.

The future
Children need to be teaches economics, history and politics in school. Not just
for one year.

Party funding
Ban corporate donations. Ban expensive 'gifts' except engagements rings to
politicians.

Over view
Give real powers to SIPO to investigate.
Acurrent actual tax clearance cert should be necessary for all TDs.
 


jmayo

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It is not upto FG and Labour to keep ff out.
It is up to us, the people.

I have made it my business to attack and shout down the spin from every ffer, every so called objective non party person who happens to be spouting the usual ff apologists drivel.

If the ff party heirachy are dragged through the courts for their misdemeanours and finally hammered it lays down a marker.
If the moneymen that provided ff with it's warchests are sent to jail for their corruption, their frauds, their sinking of this country than it removes the financial capability.

Thus corporate law and our justice system needs to be overhauled in this country.
That is one way that FG and Lab could finsh ff, but the rest is up to us.

Remind the old people that the reason they can not get a hospital operation, or a hospital bed is because of ff.
Remind parents the reason they cannot get a special needs teacher, a grant for their kids to go to college, have to pay for school toilet rolls, or have to watch their kids emigrate is because of ff.

Remind children that santa is not coming becuase of ff.
 

Panopticon

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Amazingly, the people have been very eager to elect and re-elect Fianna Fáil governments in the last 80 years or so. The best reform to achieve your aim would therefore be to dissolve the people and replace them with another one. Alternatively, we can accept that an electoral system that sought to deny the majority party a majority of seats would approach American levels of ridiculousness.
 

rockofcashel

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For the love of Jesus will you stop giving them ideas.. the last time FG tried to jimmy the political system to ensure that FF wouldn't win an election, was the Tullymander before the 1977 election. The result was giving FF the biggest overall majority in their history. That's how inept FG and Labour were
 

collina

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Amazingly, the people have been very eager to elect and re-elect Fianna Fáil governments in the last 80 years or so. The best reform to achieve your aim would therefore be to dissolve the people and replace them with another one.
Well in effect the people have been dissolved. We're now out of the equation; sidelined by the axis of FF traitors and their collection of weasels lead by Darcy/Harris. We are now represented by a weak regional assembly with Viceroy Cowen having to report to HMQ&Co every three months. FF have about as much power as the Alliance Party.
 


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