Kemerova fire - causes and final toll?

Hillmanhunter1

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There is some chatter in the usual quarters about unsettling aspects of this fire.

For sure we must allow the Russian authorities to complete their investigation, but the death toll of 64 seemed to emerge suspiciously quickly. There are reports (admittedly sources that are not familiar to me) of parents being required to sign non-disclosure agreements before being allowed into the morgues.

Video footage appears to show toxic smoke spreading at an alarming speed, perhaps more consistent with an incendiary device. It had been said that fire escapes were locked, but were they locked as a matter of course or were they locked before the fire started.

Eyewitness reports apparently suggest the true toll may be closer to 350:
Eyewitnesses said that the authorities underestimate the number of victims of a fire in Kemerovo - WorldWide News

TASS is reporting that "The investigators are probing into all the possible causes except the terrorist act."
http://tass.com/politics/996169
 


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Locked fire doors and criminally lax safety regulations. This is the kind of stuff we were sorting out nearly 40 years ago after the Stardust horror. It wouldn't surprise me if the death toll was far worse than the official figure. Russian authorities have a long history of concealing such truth.
 

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RIP. Let's keep those who died or were injured and their families in our prayers.
 

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There is some chatter in the usual quarters about unsettling aspects of this fire.

For sure we must allow the Russian authorities to complete their investigation, but the death toll of 64 seemed to emerge suspiciously quickly. There are reports (admittedly sources that are not familiar to me) of parents being required to sign non-disclosure agreements before being allowed into the morgues.

Video footage appears to show toxic smoke spreading at an alarming speed, perhaps more consistent with an incendiary device. It had been said that fire escapes were locked, but were they locked as a matter of course or were they locked before the fire started.

Eyewitness reports apparently suggest the true toll may be closer to 350:
Eyewitnesses said that the authorities underestimate the number of victims of a fire in Kemerovo - WorldWide News

TASS is reporting that "The investigators are probing into all the possible causes except the terrorist act."
TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - Authorities not considering terrorist act as possible cause of Siberian shopping mall fire
First link looks like a kind of click bait site. Very unreliable at least to my eye.

The second link is legit. It seems the authorities are not considering the possibility of a terrorist act at this point anyway.
 

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There's a huge memorial protest taking place in Moscow right now.
 

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41 children dead.

Putin will turn up and bluster about calling the cowboys to account, but everyone knows it is his regime based on systematic corruption that means ordinary Russians will suffer.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/man-who-lost-entire-family-in-russian-shopping-centre-blaze-blames-vladimir-putin-s-regime-for-a3799921.html


That was my immediate thought about this.

If corruption is a way of life - and carried out at the top - then is it any wonder if lower level officials will be corrupt too?

This will end up as a tale of low level corruption and incompetence, with the building not being up to code, and safety regulations being ignored by petty officials. If there is no enforcement of even the most basic safety regulations then what else is likely to happen?
 

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Kemerovo fire: Russia crowd condemns officials over disaster - BBC News

"President Vladimir Putin arrived in Kemerovo earlier and blamed "criminal negligence" for Sunday's blaze.

Relatives say dozens of people - including children - are still missing.

Investigators say the fire alarm was switched off and exits blocked. Four people have been charged.

Another detained suspect - a guard from a private security firm - will be charged shortly, Russia's Investigative Committee says."


Comment: so it's criminal negligence, is it?

What exactly has Putin done to root out such criminal negligence?
 


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