Kenny accepts responsibility for McNultygate. Won't do anything about it.

What should happen next over McNultygate?

  • Kenny should resign

    Votes: 109 46.0%
  • Humphreys should resign

    Votes: 16 6.8%
  • McNulty should withdraw from the job and seanad candidateship

    Votes: 81 34.2%
  • Nothing

    Votes: 31 13.1%

  • Total voters
    237
  • Poll closed .


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you're gutted this is over
Nah,im happy that the Government has not got a majority now in the seanad,i also find it funny that there was some spoiled votes in the ballot!
And lastly,this will be forever mentioned whenever Fine Gael mention cronyism again.
Enda Kenny..the Taoiseach who set out to lose an election:)
 

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Nah,im happy that the Government has not got a majority now in the seanad,i also find it funny that there was some spoiled votes in the ballot!
And lastly,this will be forever mentioned whenever Fine Gael mention cronyism again.
Enda Kenny..the Taoiseach who set out to lose an election:)
yeah right, you didn't want McNulty to win...
 

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What is being ignored in this debate is that the Seanad should have been got rid of when we had the opportunity. Media and academia decided otherwise and pulled a stroke by campaigning to keep a bolt hole for their cronies.

Now they are complaining about someone else's strokes and cronies in the Seanad. You could not make it up.
 

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Change politics forever!

Give me a ************************************g break.

Not getting rid of the Seanad was a major mistake no matter what we think of the Taoiseach.

The media and academia decided they wanted to retain it for their cronies and they had enough influence on the rest of us to succeed.

They had the same influence on the rest of us during the boom to the extent that we went along with policies that bankrupt the country.
No, the people decided they wanted to retain it.
 

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What is being ignored in this debate is that the Seanad should have been got rid of when we had the opportunity. Media and academia decided otherwise and pulled a stroke by campaigning to keep a bolt hole for their cronies.

Now they are complaining about someone else's strokes and cronies in the Seanad. You could not make it up.
No, the people decided to retain the Senate

Why do you keep posting about abolition of Senate ?. The referendum was conclusive, and is over.
 

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No, the people decided they wanted to retain it.
The people believed the media spin doctors on the Seanad during the referendum in the same way they believed the media spin doctors during the boom which bankrupt the country.

The trust placed in media about the Seanad and the trust placed in media during the boom was not in the interest of the ordinary people of this country who trusted in their media.
 

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The people believed the media spin doctors on the Seanad during the referendum in the same way they believed the media spin doctors during the boom which bankrupt the country.

The trust in media about the Seanad and the trust in media during the boom was not in the interest of the ordinary people of this country.

The ultamissimo quango imo! A defunct concept masquerading as a democratic institution, solidly locked in 1930s corporatism. Just ignore it and leave it to the likes of Healy Eames to talk it into redundancy.
 

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i couldnt be happier the way this one ended !

yeah it wouldve been fun to watch enda squirm further and see the blueshirts gutted that this would still be going on during the budget.

but having the shinners save Enda his blushes by backing the FFer ?

particularly when the blueshirts own supporters in LAB went against him or outright didnt even fupping VOTE ?

Oh its too much fun.

best of all the "analysts" in the media will be scratching their heads to figure out did they support enda by giving their number 2s to the guy he suggested, or did they support the FFers and is this a coy look at a going into gov with them.

:D
 

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Nah,im happy that the Government has not got a majority now in the seanad,i also find it funny that there was some spoiled votes in the ballot!
And lastly,this will be forever mentioned whenever Fine Gael mention cronyism again.
Enda Kenny..the Taoiseach who set out to lose an election:)
Amazing that some TDs and Senators could not mark their ballot papers properly.

Perhaps they should be supplied with specimen ballot papers beforehand so that they can ascertain on which line of the ballot paper they will find their candidate's name?.

Or were they just writing messages on the ballot paper?
 

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The people believed the media spin doctors on the Seanad during the referendum in the same way they believed the media spin doctors during the boom which bankrupt the country.

The trust placed in media about the Seanad and the trust placed in media during the boom was not in the interest of the ordinary people of this country who trusted in their media.
That's unbelievably arrogant on your behalf, to claim that people are so dumb that they only voted to save it because of the media.

The implication being that you were one of the smart minority not to be duped.

The people saw through the Government's pathetic 'save €20 million' campaign and voted to keep the Seanad.

Your obsession with the subject and apparent rejection of the democratic will of the people is a little sad to be honest.

You're just gonna have to deal with it.
 

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The ultamissimo quango imo! A defunct concept masquerading as a democratic institution, solidly locked in 1930s corporatism. Just ignore it and leave it to the likes of Healy Eames to talk it into redundancy.
The retention of the ultamissimo quango called the Seanad was supported by both media and academia during the referendum.

The Seanad after all is a place of rest for the cronies of media and academia.

Yet they complain when some of the pols do the same thing. Hypocrisy.
 

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That's unbelievably arrogant on your behalf, to claim that people are so dumb that they only voted to save it because of the media.

The implication being that you were one of the smart minority not to be duped.

The people saw through the Government's pathetic 'save €20 million' campaign and voted to keep the Seanad.

Your obsession with the subject and apparent rejection of the democratic will of the people is a little sad to be honest.

You're just gonna have to deal with it.
Look the democratic will of the people during the boom ended with a bankrupt country.

The democratic will of the people was subverted during the boom when the media told all of us that everything in the garden was rosy and anyone who said otherwise was a 'whinger'.

The fact that it ended with a bankrupt country is due to media not holding to account a small number of powerful people in government, financial institutions etc and not informing the rest of us of the real state of affairs.

That needs to be repeated again and again and I make no apology for doing so.
 

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That's unbelievably arrogant on your behalf, to claim that people are so dumb that they only voted to save it because of the media.

The implication being that you were one of the smart minority not to be duped.

The people saw through the Government's pathetic 'save €20 million' campaign and voted to keep the Seanad.

Your obsession with the subject and apparent rejection of the democratic will of the people is a little sad to be honest.

You're just gonna have to deal with it.
€20 million is not pathetic. It could provide more health services better carer subsidies etc.

Keeping the Seanad because media campaigned for it was a mistake.

Bankrupting of the country because the media campaigned for the recklessness of the powerful few during the boom was also a mistake.
 
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– Howlin Announces Revised Model for Ministerial Appointments to State Boards

would this actually stop what happened?

1. be advertised openly on the State Boards portal www.stateboards.ie operated by the Public Appointments Service (PAS)
not to disimilar to what already happened posts were already advertised, but they weren't supposed to add any more to IMMA

2. meet specific and detailed criteria determined by the relevant Minister as necessary for the effective performance of the relevant role; and
if the minister sets the criteria she can always meet them

3. be processed by way of a transparent assessment system designed and implemented by the independent Public Appointments Service (PAS) to support the relevant Minister in making appointments to State Boards under his/her remit.
'to support the minister', more people involved might slowing the process down would in normal course of things make it better but they are not suggesting removing the power to appoint from the Minister, the minister could still ignore all this, abuse the process and still get away with it.
 
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3player | Tonight with Vincent Browne - Tuesday, 07 October 2014 during the bye-election debate John Kelly say he voted before the whole debacle and he voted before he knew McNulty had been appointed to IMMA, both these things are impossible as the debacle eurpted and was headline news for a week before they could vote and his IMMA position was on the ballot.
 
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