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Kenny does deal to locate masses of France's Wind Turbines in Ireland

Hans Von Horn

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Kenny has done the French a huge service saving them from the blight of more then 1000 wind turbines.

This is a crazy policy effectively allowing France to locate it's wind turbines in Ireland. The Eirgrid Site has all the details.

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A MW of Wind TurbineCapacity does not provide a MW of electricity as the wind speeds are not sufficient to provide continuous full load output. The practice is to use multiple MWs of capacity, operating on part load production to provide a given MW of electricity production. Often no electricity is generated.

The approach has been to size the National Wind Turbine Fleet based on partial load output rather than full load output. Hence the NREAP plans about 5500MW of wind power capacity even though we can only accommodate 50% of our power from wind power on our grid if reliability is to be maintained.

Unreliable electricity has little value.

Wind Turbines need a lot of land and they thrash the landscape also causing massive property devaluation running people's lives.

In an Irish context Renewable Electricity means wind power as we have so little hydropower, we have some of the lowest levels of annual solar irradiation in Europe, that no one would think of exporting solar generated electricity from Ireland to France. We never got Tidal Power to work. Renewable Electricity means Windpower.


The closest distance between Ireland and France is 435Km a distance much greater than the length of the Interconnectors in the Irish Sea Moyle 450MW and the East West Interconnector 500MW. Element Power are also planning Interconnectors between Ireland and the UK. http://www.wikiwand.com/en/HVDC_Moyle

The Moyle Interconnector has not been reliable. Interconnectors need a differential market price at each end to make sense. They cannot provide energy security in terms of reliability, and they need to be backed up by stand by generation plant.

We are paying hundreds of millions each year in capacity payments for stand by generators. http://www.sem-o.com/Pages/default.aspx

Importing Gas through and interconnector and exporting it as electricity in another interconnector would not make commercial sense.

When we see the high handed treatment of the dissenting UK who choose to leave the emerging EU Superstate the last thing we need is to be dependent on France for electricity supplies or for a market for electricity.

Generators of Intermittent non reliable excess electricity are in a poor bargaining position once generators and interconnectors are built to command a reasonable or premium price.
 
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Kenny has done the French a huge service saving them from the blight of more then 1000 wind turbines.

This is a crazy policy effectively allowing France to locate it's wind turbines in Ireland. The Eirgrid Site has all the details.

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I saw nothing about 1000 wind turbines but concede that wind will ultimately be part of the mix. What I found strange about the piece was the inclusion of RTE in the project. WTF?
 

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This is what happens with "renewable energy policy". Enough of this stupidity:

Wind turbines in South Australia were using more power than they generated during the state’s electricity crisis, which has prompted major businesses to threaten shutdowns and smaller firms to consider moving interstate …

Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox yesterday said the rise in prices, already the highest in the country, had disrupted industry and served as a warning for the rest of the nation. “That is a serious blow to energy users across SA and has disrupted supply chains upon which thousands of jobs depend,” he said.

“The real risk is if this volatility becomes the norm across the National Electricity Market.

“In June, electricity cost South Australia $133 per megawatt hour on average — already a high price. But since July 1, electricity prices have spiked above $10,000 per MWh at times.”

Wind turbines in South Australia were using more power than they generated | The Australian
 

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Kenny has done the French a huge service saving them from the blight of more then 1000 wind turbines.

This is a crazy policy effectively allowing France to locate it's wind turbines in Ireland. The Eirgrid Site has all the details.

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"1000 wind turbines" is just Luddite spin-doctoring.

Shure ya can't bate the empty slogan to get Luddites worked up.

It would improve security of electricity supply in Ireland and France by providing a reliable high-capacity link between the two countries; increase competition in the all-island Single Electricity Market; and support the development of renewable energy, particularly in Ireland.

What's not to like, unless you are a Luddite who wants to import Polish coal?
 

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WTF does that even mean? "Locating French wind turbines in Ireland".
If France wants wind power then the turbines required should be built in France.
 

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I saw nothing about 1000 wind turbines but concede that wind will ultimately be part of the mix. What I found strange about the piece was the inclusion of RTE in the project. WTF?
RTE = Réseau de Transport d’Électricité (RTE), French energy grid, I suppose.
 

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If France wants wind power then the turbines required should be built in France.
Where are wind turbines mentioned at all?

French nuclear energy will give us stable price guarantees and security of supply that we won't get from dirty sources like coal, oil or gas. I am for it, at first glance at least.
 

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Awesome, we'll be able to buy carbon free clean French nuclear energy in return.

Amazing to think that the environmentalists of the 70s condemned future generations to the effects of global warming for their luddite ignorance of nuclear technology.

If low carbon nuclear is the solution why not use it all the time?
 

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I saw nothing about 1000 wind turbines but concede that wind will ultimately be part of the mix. What I found strange about the piece was the inclusion of RTE in the project. WTF?
And who should be involved then if not RTE?
 

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If low carbon nuclear is the solution why not use it all the time?
Because the development of the technology was hobbled by ignorant luddite environmentalists over decades. We lost out on both improved safety designs and scales of economy due to environmentalist fear mongering. It's amazing that the greenies aren't called out on this, they effectively ensured global warming and the continued dominance of fossil fuels in to the 21st century.

Think about it, the only two serious accidents in nuclear history were caused due to an idiot commissar trying to impress his politburo chiefs, and a magnitude 9+ earthquake and Tsunami. To date there has not been one nuclear disaster due to technological failure, and most reactors were built and designed before the 80s. That's an incredible track record. Environmentalists should hang their heads in shame for what they have condemned their grandchildren to in the coming decades.
 

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Break through the BS and its the start of the Government selling off the ESB to French companies.
 

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Because the development of the technology was hobbled by ignorant luddite environmentalists over decades. We lost out on both improved safety designs and scales of economy due to environmentalist fear mongering. It's amazing that the greenies aren't called out on this, they effectively ensured global warming and the continued dominance of fossil fuels in to the 21st century.

Think about it, the only two serious accidents in nuclear history were caused due to an idiot commissar trying to impress his politburo chiefs, and a magnitude 9+ earthquake and Tsunami. To date there has not been one nuclear disaster due to technological failure, and most reactors were built and designed before the 80s. That's an incredible track record. Environmentalists should hang their heads in shame for what they have condemned their grandchildren to in the coming decades.
My only concern is the effect of flooding would be catastrophic for people's health if nuclear gets added into the mix. Fine if they want a nuclear plant here, build it somewhere that isn't going to flood quickly or just anywhere on higher ground.
 

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It is also a substantial step forward in the completion of the Ireland-France Sustainable Energy Roadmap, which both RTE and EirGrid intend to further actively support with all relevant stakeholders.

I can't remember being asked or don't we plebs count as stakeholders?
 

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If low carbon nuclear is the solution why not use it all the time?
1. It takes like 15 years or more to plan and build nuclear plant. By the time its built the fusion should be availabe, smal, cheap and clean.

2. Terrorists. Id bbe afraid of terrorists living near such plant. Ireland is very small, nowhere to run in case of a disaster.
 

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