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Kevin Myers blames Padraig Pearse and co for Magdalene Laundries


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Our primitive Catholic, pseudo-Gaelic State laid foundations for Magdalenes - Independent.ie

The chap is completely off the wall insane, he really is.

The Magdalene Laundries were not some departure from the underlying spirit of 1916, they were its very embodiment.
The politicians that made this State were, without exception, all veterans of 1916.
Except Kevin, besides one or two in the I.C.A, Connolly and the Citizen's army were not the devout and raving Catholic lunatics you wish to make out. The 26 county state was nothing at all what Connolly envisioned. The same people who cheered on the bosses and denounced the workers in 1913 got hold of the state, yes that is very true.

They had belief: the lives of those who did not agree with them, the non-believers, really didn't count.
Ah yes, Kevin. Kevin forgets that there was a war going on over who gets to slaughter the Africans and grab and exploit other countries around the world. That is not even saying two wrongs make a right. The men of 1916 did not want to kill anyone who disagreed with them. Just Kevin's hypocrisy is insane and repugnant.

As an example, when MacNeill delayed the Rising, Connolly told the Count when she was in a fit of rage to not even think about shooting Eoin. When there was much justification for doing so, mind you. As well as offering those who disagreed with him the chance to voice their opinions at meetings that disagreed with him, telling his daughter that freedom of opinion is the prerequisite of democracy.

In Ireland, throughout Connolly's time and before that, freedom of speech was not always there, was it?

Socialist revisionists (including virtually all his biographers) have chosen to see James Connolly as the secular exception to the overwhelmingly Catholic and Consecratory nature of 1916. This is wishful thinking. Connolly had all the devout intolerance of a Catholic bigot.
Yes, his days in the North standing up for Protestant and Catholic workers were the nadir of his sectarianism. Not to mention his hatred of the Catholic Church's toxic influence in Ireland. Not to mention his attempts to stop Catholics from blaming protestants for their current situations, reminding them when the Englishman was a Catholic, he did the same, even worse.

In 1911, he lived in South Lotts Road in Dublin, along with about 120 other families – around 40pc Protestant, 60pc Catholic. It is one of the many triumphs of the "republican" cause that within a generation, most of the Protestants would have vanished.
Yes, true. The way you use to, or probably still do, maintain that there was ethnic cleaning in West Cork. Also, Kevin, when it comes to 'revisionist' historians, you're in no position to talk. You rely on Peter 'the medium' Hart who praises books that eviscerate his nonsense. Such a reliable historian to have, is Peter, interviewing dead people. Maybe Richard English could be of service to you? The man who is fixated by the sexual practices of Irish republicans, rather than what they stood for.

The outcome was a primitive Catholic, pseudo-Gaelic state, in which both dissent or "immorality" were savagely punished, within an all-pervading culture of physical violence.
Yes, Kevin. Just as the workers were battered continuously after the Rising and ostensible Independence, just as Cosgrave called the workers untermensch. 'Culture of physical violence', physical violence by British guns, fired on Irishmen by Irishmen.

There is so much nonsense in this article it is untrue. It seems Kevin is pumping himself up for the Rising anniversary. One suspects that he will come out with something ineffable for the 100th anniversary in a few years time. A shock for all of us, indeed!
 

CarnivalOfAction

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Our primitive Catholic, pseudo-Gaelic State laid foundations for Magdalenes - Independent.ie

The chap is completely off the wall insane, he really is.





Except Kevin, besides one or two in the I.C.A, Connolly and the Citizen's army were not the devout and raving Catholic lunatics you wish to make out. The 26 county state was nothing at all what Connolly envisioned. The same people who cheered on the bosses and denounced the workers in 1913 got hold of the state, yes that is very true.



Ah yes, Kevin. Kevin forgets that there was a war going on over who gets to slaughter the Africans and grab and exploit other countries around the world. That is not even saying two wrongs make a right. The men of 1916 did not want to kill anyone who disagreed with them. Just Kevin's hypocrisy is insane and repugnant.

As an example, when MacNeill delayed the Rising, Connolly told the Count when she was in a fit of rage to not even think about shooting Eoin. When there was much justification for doing so, mind you. As well as offering those who disagreed with him the chance to voice their opinions at meetings that disagreed with him, telling his daughter that freedom of opinion is the prerequisite of democracy.

In Ireland, throughout Connolly's time and before that, freedom of speech was not always there, was it?



Yes, his days in the North standing up for Protestant and Catholic workers were the nadir of his sectarianism. Not to mention his hatred of the Catholic Church's toxic influence in Ireland. Not to mention his attempts to stop Catholics from blaming protestants for their current situations, reminding them when the Englishman was a Catholic, he did the same, even worse.



Yes, true. The way you use to, or probably still do, maintain that there was ethnic cleaning in West Cork. Also, Kevin, when it comes to 'revisionist' historians, you're in no position to talk. You rely on Peter 'the medium' Hart who praises books that eviscerate his nonsense. Such a reliable historian to have, is Peter, interviewing dead people. Maybe Richard English could be of service to you? The man who is fixated by the sexual practices of Irish republicans, rather than what they stood for.



Yes, Kevin. Just as the workers were battered continuously after the Rising and ostensible Independence, just as Cosgrave called the workers untermensch. 'Culture of physical violence', physical violence by British guns, fired on Irishmen by Irishmen.

There is so much nonsense in this article it is untrue. It seems Kevin is pumping himself up for the Rising anniversary. One suspects that he will come out with something ineffable for the 100th anniversary in a few years time. A shock for all of us, indeed!
What do you expect from a poncy pig but an ignorant grunt dressed up in flowery language? Myers misses the central point that the backward Carnival Of Reaction, north & south, was, as Connolly predicted, imposed by the victors of the counter-revolution of 1922/3.

Myers was dismissed by Judge Cory as an incompetent plagiarist, who works for tax avoiding billionaires, who fear the completion of the revolution launched in 1916:

 

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You know what we need around here? A thread entitled "Anyone Embarrassed Reading Kevin Myers?".

It would kick the LLS one into touch for sure.... :)
 

Lando Calrissian

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Well he's not all that wrong. No doubt,hes the master of hyperbole but hes on to something here.'The laundries' didnt just come out of thin air. Theres a reason things happen. Political climate has an influence on society at large.Pretty obvious really.
 
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I think Myers nailed it. Again.

Ye conservative catholic loons just don't like the truth. That's yer problem.
 

CarnivalOfAction

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I think Myers nailed it. Again.

Ye conservative catholic loons just don't like the truth. That's yer problem.
Myers admitted spoofing in his IT column:

Gerard Cunningham

"A column alleging Garda collusion in the murder of two senior RUC officers did not tell the truth in a fair and impartial manner, journalist Kevin Myers accepted at the Smithwick tribunal."

Irish Politics, Current Affairs and Magazine Archive - Politico.ie | Myers exposed in official report

"Conjecture and hypothesis presented as fact in a column by Kevin Myers alleging garda involvement in the murder of a judge, his wife and two RUC officers, Vincent Browne reports"
 

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Our primitive Catholic, pseudo-Gaelic State laid foundations for Magdalenes - Independent.ie

The chap is completely off the wall insane, he really is.





Except Kevin, besides one or two in the I.C.A, Connolly and the Citizen's army were not the devout and raving Catholic lunatics you wish to make out. The 26 county state was nothing at all what Connolly envisioned. The same people who cheered on the bosses and denounced the workers in 1913 got hold of the state, yes that is very true.



Ah yes, Kevin. Kevin forgets that there was a war going on over who gets to slaughter the Africans and grab and exploit other countries around the world. That is not even saying two wrongs make a right. The men of 1916 did not want to kill anyone who disagreed with them. Just Kevin's hypocrisy is insane and repugnant.

As an example, when MacNeill delayed the Rising, Connolly told the Count when she was in a fit of rage to not even think about shooting Eoin. When there was much justification for doing so, mind you. As well as offering those who disagreed with him the chance to voice their opinions at meetings that disagreed with him, telling his daughter that freedom of opinion is the prerequisite of democracy.

In Ireland, throughout Connolly's time and before that, freedom of speech was not always there, was it?



Yes, his days in the North standing up for Protestant and Catholic workers were the nadir of his sectarianism. Not to mention his hatred of the Catholic Church's toxic influence in Ireland. Not to mention his attempts to stop Catholics from blaming protestants for their current situations, reminding them when the Englishman was a Catholic, he did the same, even worse.



Yes, true. The way you use to, or probably still do, maintain that there was ethnic cleaning in West Cork. Also, Kevin, when it comes to 'revisionist' historians, you're in no position to talk. You rely on Peter 'the medium' Hart who praises books that eviscerate his nonsense. Such a reliable historian to have, is Peter, interviewing dead people. Maybe Richard English could be of service to you? The man who is fixated by the sexual practices of Irish republicans, rather than what they stood for.



Yes, Kevin. Just as the workers were battered continuously after the Rising and ostensible Independence, just as Cosgrave called the workers untermensch. 'Culture of physical violence', physical violence by British guns, fired on Irishmen by Irishmen.

There is so much nonsense in this article it is untrue. It seems Kevin is pumping himself up for the Rising anniversary. One suspects that he will come out with something ineffable for the 100th anniversary in a few years time. A shock for all of us, indeed!
Connolly for sure would never have supported the slavery embodied in the Magdellan concentration camps!
Myers, the ultimate-Pseudo intellectual of the Irish Times sometimes strikes me as a lad who has to post mindless nonsense in order to stir the sh1t or when he is under pressure to make a deadline!:roll:
 

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Myers, the ultimate-Pseudo intellectual of the Irish Times sometimes strikes me as a lad who has to post mindless nonsense in order to stir the sh1t or when he is under pressure to make a deadline!:roll:
Thats harsh. Is Waters, Power or hatchet face in the sunday mail , any better? They're all self indulgent bores.
 
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Myers you have lost, Republicans have won the 26 and it is never going back (thanks be to God). The struggle for the 6 goes on in earnest. Republicanism more popular than ever, while the anti-Republicans are starting to be seen for the irrational looney tunes that they are.:)
 
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Myers you have lost, Republicans have won the 26 and it is never going back (thanks be to God). The struggle for the 6 goes on in earnest. Republicanism more popular than ever, while the anti-Republicans are starting to be seen for the irrational loony tunes that they are.:)
See that's just crazy talk. A bit like Hitler's contemplating victory while the Russians surrounded Berlin.
 

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See that's just crazy talk. A bit like Hitler's contemplating victory while the Russians surrounded Berlin.
How?
 
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Because, as you well know, the Union is as safe as houses. The acquiescence of republicans in NI has guaranteed its existence.

On the plus side, you still get to say tiochfaidh ar la, so it's not all bad news...eh...just don't specify when that la will be.
 
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