Kevin Myers - "Green Party is heading for an early extinction ... unbridled joy!!!"

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From the Irish Independent 6th Aug 2009 ... "Green Party is heading for an early extinction and its death should be a source of unbridled joy".

I dont agree with Myres most of the time, and I certanly dont agree with much of what he says in this article ... especially the bit about GM foods. However there are some very interesting things in the article which are difficult to ignore.

Myers says ... "The Green Party is heading for an early extinction, like a short-lived animal species that failed to genetically modify to cope with climate change, and its death should be a source of unbridled joy".

And one of the reasons Myres gives for this "early extinction"? A lack of Green integrity from Eamon Ryan ...

Myers again ... "For in an outstanding example of Green integrity, Eamon Ryan promised in the last election that Ireland would never, ever have nuclear fuel. And almost the first thing he did once he was a minister in government was to sign an agreement to buy nuclear power from Britain".

More about the importation of British nuke power by Eamon Ryan from Myers ... "The Greens backing Ireland's importation of nuclear energy is just too delicious for words".

As I have said above, I would disagree with Myers most of the time. However, he raises some interesting points in both of the articles linked above.

The most interesting thing is that there seems to be such a wide variety of people who are vehemently against the Greens now. From Patricia McKenna to Kevin Myres and most people in between.

A truly stunning achievement from Gormley and Co. to alienate such a vast and wide spectrum of the Irish populace.
 


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As ive said before on this site, The Irish Greens will be a fascinating case study in years to come about how it takes decades to build a political movement from fringe activists to Parlimentary Power. And just 2 years to tear it down.
 

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it's certianly a source of unbridled joy for me, and to think I was terrified two years ago at the thought of them being in Power. Thank God they have achieved nothing
 

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If Myers, and the other shock jock journos keep it up, they will do the opposite on the basis that if Myers & Co are agin it, loads of people will be for it.

I'm surprised at Myers taking what seems to be the politically correct course of action lately which is to slag off the greens in govt. My my how shockingly uncontroversial of him.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
 

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I met Eamon Ryan once around the time that congestion on the M50 was daily news. I said something to him about the M50 and to my astonishment I realised that his problem was not the congestion but the fact that the M50 existed at all. These people are total fruitcakes and need to be consigned to history asap. Neither should we forget the inglorious actions of Ciaran Cuffe who went down to St. Patrick's Cathedral to support the Afghans during that stunt a few years ago.
 

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Why would Myers find it amazing that the greens would buy Nuclear power? It is the cleanest form of energy there is, producing less CO2 than most energy supplies. I dislike the Green party for propping up the govt, but if Myers hates them, thats reason enough for me to like them.

Kevin Myers is a right wing tool. A caricature of a man, a pathetic, west brit scumbag. Hopefully he rolls over and dies.
 

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I certainly don't take great joy in the self-destruction of the Irish green party. I doubt many people do. What the party leadership has done to the cause of green politics in Ireland is effectively political suicide. The greens had huge potential but, sadly, it's going to go completely unrealised for at least a decade after this government collapses and the blame for that lies squarely with the current party leadership.

I really don't think watching an arrogant leadership which had lost touch with it's own support base driving what should be a very noble political cause over a cliff is something that very many people, other than perhaps myers, are going to delight in.

When (not if) the FF backbenchers pull the plug on this sorry excuse for a government, the greens are going to be left totally washed up. They won't be able to claim any moral high ground and are unlikely to have made any significant impact on legislation (that people notice). FF will also implement lots of green taxes and charges to shore up revenue and blame the greens!
 

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I certainly don't take great joy in the self-destruction of the Irish green party. I doubt many people do. What the party leadership has done to the cause of green politics in Ireland is effectively political suicide. The greens had huge potential but, sadly, it's going to go completely unrealised for at least a decade after this government collapses and the blame for that lies squarely with the current party leadership.

I really don't think watching an arrogant leadership which had lost touch with it's own support base driving what should be a very noble political cause over a cliff is something that very many people, other than perhaps myers, are going to delight in.

When (not if) the FF backbenchers pull the plug on this sorry excuse for a government, the greens are going to be left totally washed up. They won't be able to claim any moral high ground and are unlikely to have made any significant impact on legislation (that people notice). FF will also implement lots of green taxes and charges to shore up revenue and blame the greens!
This is definitely one of the best posts that I have ever read on P.ie.

Sums up my opinion almost perfectly.
 

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The Green vote sees absolutely no contradiction on Ryans nuclear dablings, so it won't cost the Green party a thing. It is a given that the much heralded interconnecter, without which the ministers much favoured wind energy plan won't work, will draw nuclear power.

The Greens just don't talk about it.

Denial of reality is a trait the Greens have taken from opposition into government. That trait seems to be both healthy and intact because it is a shared trait among Green supporters. Ireland will rely on Nuclear power, we just won't ever admit it.

The reality is British Nuclear energy is a vital part of our "Green" future.
 

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Myers hates all Green parties, just because Ireland's one has turned out to be a sham shouldn't distract people from that fact Myarse is simply a third rate Irish Bill O' Reilly.:(
 

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I dont agree with Myres most of the time, and I certanly dont agree with much of what he says in this article ... especially the bit about GM foods. However there are some very interesting things in the article which are difficult to ignore.

As I have said above, I would disagree with Myers most of the time. However, he raises some interesting points in both of the articles linked above.

I have to find it hilarious that 90% of threads started about Lord Myers always have similar sentences to those you have just written. Maybe we should just ignore Myers and wait for a credible columnist to make the points, or better still make them yourself. If we ignore him he may go away
 

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Why would Myers find it amazing that the greens would buy Nuclear power? It is the cleanest form of energy there is, producing less CO2 than most energy supplies. I dislike the Green party for propping up the govt, but if Myers hates them, thats reason enough for me to like them.

Kevin Myers is a right wing tool. A caricature of a man, a pathetic, west brit scumbag. Hopefully he rolls over and dies.

The bas- is not even Irish. His views would embaress the Brits.

Anyone can make an arguement if they distort the facts - for instance, Ireland will be importing electricity, not specifically Nuclear power. Britain generates its power without consulting the Irish.
 

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I met Eamon Ryan once around the time that congestion on the M50 was daily news. I said something to him about the M50 and to my astonishment I realised that his problem was not the congestion but the fact that the M50 existed at all. .
He's right though in a way. The M50 was built far too close to the city and corruption and horrendous planning by the mainstream parties swallowed the bypass into the suburbs. In retrospect, no, the M50 in it's present form and present location should never have even been contemplated
 

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The reality is British Nuclear energy is a vital part of our "Green" future.
Far be it from me to defend the Green Party, but I have to admit that I wouldn't criticise them too harshly in this instance.

The strategy of having a neighbouring state host nuclear power stations from which Ireland can buy electricity at commercial rates strikes me as being reasonably shrewd: given the prevailing westerly winds in this part of the world, the neighbours are more likely to have fallout problems than we are if the worst ever comes to the worst.
 

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Far be it from me to defend the Green Party, but I have to admit that I wouldn't criticise them too harshly in this instance.

The strategy of having a neighbouring state host nuclear power stations from which Ireland can buy electricity at commercial rates strikes me as being reasonably shrewd: given the prevailing westerly winds in this part of the world, the neighbours are more likely to have fallout problems than we are if the worst ever comes to the worst.

That is not their strategy - just because myarse says it is does not make it true.

The great advantage the Irish have is not a great electricity demand and abundant wind - hence renewables. But is there anyone with the brain to see it?
 

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For weeks, I was of the opinion that the Greens would pull the rug from under this government. That is not going to be the case. Like Captain Smith on the Titanic, they will hang on for dear life, and like the good captain (and Jack Dawson) they will never be pulled from the water. The backbenchers of FF will be most concerned, and at the next sign of trouble, we may see the full departure of the majority in a voting context.

If the Greens dont pull out, and the backbenchers do, they will return to the next government with 0-1 seats. Ryan will be competing with Lee/Mitchell/Shatter, Brennan/Corrigan/Kitt for the final seat, after two FG, one Lab and at least one FF will make it in. On the other hand Trevor Seargent will have a fight on his hands with Cliare Daly. The rest are gonners, with Frances Fitzgerald and another Labourite picking up the two DMW seats off Harney and Gogarty. Cuffe's seat is gone by way of the boundary change (in spite of the fact that he would lose it regardless of the boundary change), while Mary White and Gormley are gonners.

One TD, and Three County Councellors make them smaller then the SP between 1997-2007. It will be sweet to see this spineless, and hypocritical show get taken down !
 

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Is there anything Kevin Myers doesn't hate? I mean can anyone honestly say that they read anything in that article in terms of criticism of the Green Party that you hadn't heard 100 times before.

I mean cranky semi witty prose doesn't really disguise the fact that you are woefully ignorant and unoriginal about the subject you've chosen to google about this week to fill some column inches Kevin
 

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The bas- is not even Irish. His views would embaress the Brits.

Anyone can make an arguement if they distort the facts - for instance, Ireland will be importing electricity, not specifically Nuclear power. Britain generates its power without consulting the Irish.
Kevin Meyers is as Irish as James Connolly, Meyers was born in England of Irish parents, and Connolly was born in Scotland of Irish parents. If you disapprove of Meyers fair enough that is your privilege. But do not say he is not Irish as that is just not true.
 


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