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Kids, Breakfast and school lunches


Schomberg

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I know this is two serpate (but linked) topics but I figured one thread is better than two so apolgises in advance if it gets a little scattered. But I was wondering do kids in any Irish schools (outside of borders) get warm lunches? When I think back to how it was when I was in school (mid to late 1990s) we went through our entire school life eating sandwiches. I don't believe that's proper fuel for a young person, it's defintely not good for concentration in schools so why hasn't anyone (outside of SF I must admit) advocated for subsided school food?

How many people would realistically be oppossed to a small tax hike (could be done at council level I suppose too) which would mean Irish school children benefit from good warm food every day in school? It creates employment too, not to mention the increased purchases from Irish businesses. They do it differently all over Europe, in some places the food is free (Sweden) and in other places parents pay a very affordable weekly or monthly cost depending on what they order for their children based on set menus. I'm not saying Ireland has to go down the free road, but it's worth exploring the options.

The other thing is, what does everyone feed their kids for breakfast? In a country where the kids are invariably eating sandwiches for lunch, what sort of stuff do they get for breakfast? I have mates who send their kids to school on cereal and toast. I understand mornings are hectic but still. I'm luckily in that I don't start work til later so I'm there, without any stress in the mornings. My problem is trying to vary the breakfasts. 4 days a week it's porridge with milk, stewed apple and cinnamon, yogurt, toast & cheese, and tea or juice. Fridays some kids ceral, some egg based thing (fried, scrambled, soft boiled, omelet, french toast).
 


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Most schools would have to build an extension to accomodate school lunches. It's a good idea, but it will never happen. When I was at secondary school one of the girls used to heat beans at home and put them into a thermos to have at lunchtime.
 

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Kilkenny college provide meals or they did the odd time we played away games of rugby there, don't know if it was just for borders or day pupils aswell or if parents have to pay a fee.
 

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Porridge
Porridge
Porridge

Fruit
Fruit
Fruit


Eat it or go hungry.
 

eoghanacht

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Did the troika make the government do away with breakfast clubs in disadvantaged areas?

No point wasting good money on future junkies and alco's eh?
 

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Kilkenny college provide meals or they did the odd time we played away games of rugby there, don't know if it was just for borders or day pupils aswell or if parents have to pay a fee.
My school did food for the borders. They'd be sitting there tucking into their lasagnes and we'd be pulling out ham and cheese sandwiches for the millionth time.

Don't see the problem with an extension? How big would it really have to be? Most schools have lunch rooms anyway and you don't need to have every class having lunch at excatly the same time.
 

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My school did food for the borders. They'd be sitting there tucking into their lasagnes and we'd be pulling out ham and cheese sandwiches for the millionth time.

Don't see the problem with an extension? How big would it really have to be? Most schools have lunch rooms anyway and you don't need to have every class having lunch at exactly the same time.
I never ate in the refrectory* at school, I cycled home and had beans on toast or a poached egg, which I made for my older brother and myself (Mum worked, and my brother was not domesticated...). Largely because it was better than sandwiches, and largely because it let me watch telly at lunch time. I ate those for 6 years.... :shock:

*poncy word for the Canteen, apparently the food was shocking, and expensive.

Lunch at the same time for all classes is necessary in secondary schools form a yard supervision rota schedule perspective.
 

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I know this is two serpate (but linked) topics but I figured one thread is better than two so apolgises in advance if it gets a little scattered. But I was wondering do kids in any Irish schools (outside of borders) get warm lunches? When I think back to how it was when I was in school (mid to late 1990s) we went through our entire school life eating sandwiches. I don't believe that's proper fuel for a young person, it's defintely not good for concentration in schools so why hasn't anyone (outside of SF I must admit) advocated for subsided school food?

How many people would realistically be oppossed to a small tax hike (could be done at council level I suppose too) which would mean Irish school children benefit from good warm food every day in school? It creates employment too, not to mention the increased purchases from Irish businesses. They do it differently all over Europe, in some places the food is free (Sweden) and in other places parents pay a very affordable weekly or monthly cost depending on what they order for their children based on set menus. I'm not saying Ireland has to go down the free road, but it's worth exploring the options.

The other thing is, what does everyone feed their kids for breakfast? In a country where the kids are invariably eating sandwiches for lunch, what sort of stuff do they get for breakfast? I have mates who send their kids to school on cereal and toast. I understand mornings are hectic but still. I'm luckily in that I don't start work til later so I'm there, without any stress in the mornings. My problem is trying to vary the breakfasts. 4 days a week it's porridge with milk, stewed apple and cinnamon, yogurt, toast & cheese, and tea or juice. Fridays some kids ceral, some egg based thing (fried, scrambled, soft boiled, omelet, french toast).
My sons school has a small cafe where they can buy hot food at lunch which is great, it also has a breakfast club. It's very small, so would have difficulty coping if it had to provide hot meals for all students. I think this is the only school in our area with these facilities and it is only available from 2nd class upwards. I'm rather envious of the UK system whereby these facilities are standard in all schools.

Regarding breakfast, we have a bit of a horse and water situation in our house. Although care may be taken over nutritional content, it may not necessarly be comsumed in a timely manner, so breakfast becomes a mobile affair. He has been known to roll up to the school still eating a slice of reheated pizza or toast, (or on occasion wearing his breakfast, if I have to break suddenly) which does nothing for my credibility but better that than hungry. Thank god for multi-vitamins.
 

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Breakfast for my kids weekly is a mixture of brown toast, cereals, boiled/poached or scrambled eggs, beans or spaghetti hoops and tea.

I am bored with lunches though, sandwich ( ham , chicken salad, wraps or crackers) cheese cubed, frubes , apple , cereal bar and water or juice.

As for paying extra , some parents won't/can't pay for swim classes in the school that the 4th, 5th and 6th class are meant to be doing. It was cancelled last week due to lack of payment. In the schools there seems to be a stand off where Irish parents are sick of paying for extras and new comers aren't paying but still able to take part. So they're not paying now and expect their child to be able to take part free.
 

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Funny you are mentioning this topic Schomberg because last Friday I saw a line of secondary students queuing out the door of a Subway outlet. I fear for the health of our children if that is what some are eating on a regular basis.
A tax to pay for healthy lunches in schools is one fee that I would not mind paying and I don't have any school going children.
 

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one of the top two initiatives my secondary school introduced in the mid 80s was a lunch room. built through fundraising it had a rudimentary soup kitchen and shop and allowed for a mixture of prepared meals to accompany the packed lunch. staffed by transition year students it cost little to run and offered a safe environment to spend lunchtime and do something other than kick one's heels against the walls of a nearby pub, they even saw how to run a business. it was cheap to set up and run and could be extended to create an economic and nutritional success story. kids buy all sorts of junk to accompany food, I'd have been well pleased with an omlette and soup prepared by schoolmates if it were available.

the other good idea of the school was to create a computer room. it replaced the religion room. not every CBS was a horror story.
 

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My school did food for the borders. They'd be sitting there tucking into their lasagnes and we'd be pulling out ham and cheese sandwiches for the millionth time.

Don't see the problem with an extension? How big would it really have to be? Most schools have lunch rooms anyway and you don't need to have every class having lunch at excatly the same time.
dunno, Rural brought that up
 

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The OP premise is that cold sandwiches are not adequate fuel for a young person to have for lunch. I do not accept this.

A sandwich with cheese, ham, egg, salad or whatever on brown bread with a yoghurt and a banana and a few biscuits is a perfectly adequate lunch.

The UK schools do hot dinners and they're mostly mucky junk food.
 
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give kids an option and they will always go for the "brown food" one, pizza, nuggets , chips........ unless the canteens were very strict and creative they would either revert to deep fried food or healthier food that the kids would only eat if their parents were there.
At least if the parents control their diet they can ensure a heathly breakfast and a proper dinner.
 

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Funny you are mentioning this topic Schomberg because last Friday I saw a line of secondary students queuing out the door of a Subway outlet. I fear for the health of our children if that is what some are eating on a regular basis.
A tax to pay for healthy lunches in schools is one fee that I would not mind paying and I don't have any school going children.
you should have a look at that Jamie Oliver thing about school dinners in the UK, apart from being crap when they put on proper food the parents were bringing 'proper food' to the kids at lunch time i.e burgers and chips. you can't really blame kids if their parents don't teach them any better
 

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Funny you are mentioning this topic Schomberg because last Friday I saw a line of secondary students queuing out the door of a Subway outlet. I fear for the health of our children if that is what some are eating on a regular basis.
A tax to pay for healthy lunches in schools is one fee that I would not mind paying and I don't have any school going children.
Pretty much it mate. All I remember of lunches in sixth year (when I had some money and was allowed into town) was coke and breakfast rolls or chicken rolls. Not any way to sustain a healthy population if you ask me. Instead of spending that fiver at the local shop it could have been used to probably feed three of us a good spag bol.

Likewise, with the taxes. My kids are half way through school at this stage and should we move back to Ireland they'd no doubt be out of the place by the time any new policy with regards school lunched would come in. Still wouldn't mind paying a little bit extra to be honest. I don't think most people hve anything against taxes for stuff that makes sense, like this.
 

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you should have a look at that Jamie Oliver thing about school dinners in the UK, apart from being crap when they put on proper food the parents were bringing 'proper food' to the kids at lunch time i.e burgers and chips. you can't really blame kids if their parents don't teach them any better
Looks like a no win situation then if that is the attitude of parents!
Kids like this will not be so unusual if this trend continues.

 

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The OP premise is that cold sandwiches are not adequate fuel for a young person to have for lunch. I do not accept this.
7 hour days on a ham sandwich is adequate and if adequate is good enough for you, then fair enough. You'd be in the minority.


The UK schools do hot dinners and they're mostly mucky junk food.
Thankfully seems to be a thing of the past if the locals in my area are anything to go by. They have some muck on fridays like pizza, chips and burgers, but rest of the week the food is pretty good.
 

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Funny you are mentioning this topic Schomberg because last Friday I saw a line of secondary students queuing out the door of a Subway outlet. I fear for the health of our children if that is what some are eating on a regular basis.
A tax to pay for healthy lunches in schools is one fee that I would not mind paying and I don't have any school going children.
Gorey has one secondary school, it is the largest in the country (2,000 pupils approx.), they open the doors at lunch time and all of the pupils go to town for a lunch of burgers/chips/massive rolls etc. The school also has vending machines with fizzy drinks and chocolate bars, some of the young people are bordering on obese and fizzy drinks are the ruination of teeth. I also wonder where the money comes from.

When my lads were at school (primary and secondary school were in a village), they made their own lunch the evening before and when they got home dinner was there for them. The school day in Ireland is not as long as the school day in other countries, when the lads were at primary the day finished at 2pm and from 1st class up it was 3pm, in secondary they were home just after 3.30pm, then they would get a hot dinner.
 

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Pretty much it mate. All I remember of lunches in sixth year (when I had some money and was allowed into town) was coke and breakfast rolls or chicken rolls. Not any way to sustain a healthy population if you ask me. Instead of spending that fiver at the local shop it could have been used to probably feed three of us a good spag bol.

Likewise, with the taxes. My kids are half way through school at this stage and should we move back to Ireland they'd no doubt be out of the place by the time any new policy with regards school lunched would come in. Still wouldn't mind paying a little bit extra to be honest. I don't think most people hve anything against taxes for stuff that makes sense, like this.
Such a tax would be miniscule compared to the costs of weight/fat related health issues in years to come.
 

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