Killian Forde rejected by Labour members

taurus

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Have heard that Killian Forde was resoundly rejected at a Labour convention in Dublin last weekend receiving only 3 votes out of a total of 60 odd. Can any one shed any light on this ?. If true then it would seem that he made a huge mistake jumping from the Shinners. Did Labour strategists move on him solely to remove him as a threat to their seat ??. Certainly they must have promised him something to jump, and it seems that the promise was'nt lived up to !!.
Given the performance of Sinn Féin and the complete turn around in fortune he must be bloody well kicking himself , as he would be surely odds on to take a seat if he was with Sinn Fein.
But of course he was not interested in a seat or the career, he left Sinn Féin on "Idealogical grounds", isn't that right Killian ????????
 


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Depends on what the direction to the convention was. If they were just nominating one, then Labour HQ could just add him to the ticket later. Indeed its arguable that had he pushed it to a vote against a sitting TD with just one being selected, the membership would have been very unhappy with him for doing so, and thus voted against him in greater numbers than they otherwise would have.
 

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having met him i never got the feeling he was a committed republican or socialist so i assumed he'd be happy at either sinn fein or labour. his moved was a career move, had shinner ship not being sinking he'd have stayed put. he was the face og the new sinnfein, left of centre nationailst party.
 

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Depends on what the direction to the convention was. If they were just nominating one, then Labour HQ could just add him to the ticket later. Indeed its arguable that had he pushed it to a vote against a sitting TD with just one being selected, the membership would have been very unhappy with him for doing so, and thus voted against him in greater numbers than they otherwise would have.
I believe the convention nominated two...Broughan and (in their quest for youth) Sean Kenny! Forde was only fourth in the convention.

Now pardon me while I lie back and have a big laugh!
 

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Maybe now Killian realises what old Provie types meant when they spoke about the 'treacherous stickies.'!!!

Sole object on Labour's part was to damage the Shinners by taking one of their seats and one of their young councillors at a time when the Shinners seemed to be in a mess. Once they did that they decided to dump Forde. If he only got three votes then HQ obviously made it their business to stop him. Now they will probably try and take his DCC seat. Politics is a nasty business.
 

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Have heard that Killian Forde was resoundly rejected at a Labour convention in Dublin last weekend receiving only 3 votes out of a total of 60 odd. Can any one shed any light on this ?. If true then it would seem that he made a huge mistake jumping from the Shinners. Did Labour strategists move on him solely to remove him as a threat to their seat ??. Certainly they must have promised him something to jump, and it seems that the promise was'nt lived up to !!.
Given the performance of Sinn Féin and the complete turn around in fortune he must be bloody well kicking himself , as he would be surely odds on to take a seat if he was with Sinn Fein.
But of course he was not interested in a seat or the career, he left Sinn Féin on "Idealogical grounds", isn't that right Killian ????????
Yeah looks like a good lesson in life for this chap. Sure a few years at knocking on doors looking for support for Labour candidates will do him no harm :) Typical result for the traitor class.
 

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I believe the convention nominated two...Broughan and (in their quest for youth) Sean Kenny! Forde was only fourth in the convention.

Now pardon me while I lie back and have a big laugh!
Well that's different, then!
 

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Nobody ever likes a traitor in politics and that is exactly what Mr. Ford is. He had signed an agreement with Sinn Féin that if for any reason he left the party the seat remained with the party. He proved himself to be a liar in this respect and a person who cannot be trusted. What was to stop him doing it to Labour a few years down the line. If you look at the list of political party defectors in this state you will see that very few of them go anywhere afterwards.

I understood the reasons why Mr. Ford left Sinn Féin at the time but I was absolutely dumbfounded at his decision to move to Labour. He will find himself in political obscurity after the next council elections provided he even gets selected as a candidate.
 

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Maybe now Killian realises what old Provie types meant when they spoke about the 'treacherous stickies.'!!!.
Broughan and Kenny Stickies? Don't think so.

Labour selection conventions are a numbers game. If you have the support, you will get through, regardless of what what HQ want. (EG Anne Ferris).

If Killian had got his act together and done a bit of recruiting, he would have been in with a shout.
 

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weep not for Killian, there is always the senate
 

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Look, Killian Forde joined Labour in DNE when Labour were doing well in the polls but certainly not so well that you'd bet your house on a second seat in a tigh three-seater. He also joined knowing the Cian O'Callaghan would be considered a natural running mate for Broughan and that he'd be well up against it to get the nomination ahead of O'Callaghan. I am certainly surprised and a bit disappointed that either Forde or O'Callaghan wasn't selected ahead of Kenny, and I think it will cause some issues for the party in a few years time, but I don't think Forde went into this with his eyes closed.
 

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I'm a bit of a softie, so I am sorry for him. He wouldn't have been in SF if he had unionist or right wing leanings, so dumping on him on that ground is not fair.

I also regret the good people that have left the republican movement, or as some would see it (I don't see the point of arguing with them, so let's just acknowledge that there are alternative views and move on), have stayed true to their principles.

I think there has to be wide room for a diversity of opinion, and I for one would welcome him back with open arms, though I doubt that is the feeling of SF people on the ground in his constituency (or generally).


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This thread is completely unfair to Killian Forde so I feel I must comment.

Firstly, the basics - the selection convention was on Monday, not the weekend. There were three candidates, not four.

Killian knew that he would poll badly going in, debated not standing at all and only went forward for selection in order to assist O'Callaghan in getting selected. Take this as fact. I know this because I know all three candidates, and I was present on the night.

The real story here isn't related to Killian Forde at all - it is that an old timer like Sean Kenny managed to get selected over two much younger men who could carry Labour forward in Dublin North East in the coming years, where as by the next GE after the one coming, Kenny will be in his 70's.
 

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I for one would welcome him back with open arms, though I doubt that is the feeling of SF people on the ground in his constituency (or generally).
Did anyone from the local SF organisation go with him into Labour?
 


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