Kinehan, MTK and Politics

Buchaill Dana

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So its finally gone proper political.

To sum up:
- MTK boxing, of which Daniel Kinehan, who is currently warrant dodging in Dubai, is a leader in, have secured two huge fights in Saudi Arabia. Probably the biggest British bouts ever between Joshua and Fury to unify the heavyweight titles. Note not taking place in England.
-Fury namechecked Kinehan as making it all happen. Twitter erupts.
-Kelly raises it in the Dail. Leo agrees and states moves are afoot to extradite him.
-Ross and Griffin have formally protested to the British Department of Sport and potential PPV carriers.
-Kinehan has recently been pushing the 'controversial businessman' line with tbe help of a big London legal firm.
-The British press are waking up to the fact they have been duped.

Its fascinating, couldn't make it up stuff.

Pro boxing has always had a criminal edge, but never has a promoter been acknowledged who is on the run for 18 odd murders. Its fascinating to see boxing as an industry fall in behind him.
 


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Pro Boxing, the Kinahans, Saudi Arabia, Bob Arum, the Hearnes and Tyson Fury
Anyone who thinks anything remotely clean or ethical could arise out of that toxic mix of criminals, despots, scumbags, spivs and a giant thicko would be mad.

But even allowing for all that, this is a simply a staggering development that almost beggars belief in its audacity to totally overlook Kinahan's background.

Fair play to Leo for trying but if this falls apart I'd imagine it will be Sky refusing to play ball

One also has to ask, how is Kinahan going to explain the tens of millions he will have to put up for this venture?

Finally, attempts over years by mobsters to cultivate big showy public images have generally ended very badly for them
Has Kinahan's ego got the better of him?
 
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Pro Boxing, the Kinahans, Saudi Arabia, Bob Arum, the Hearnes and Tyson Fury
Anyone who thinks anything remotely clean or ethical could arise out of that toxic mix of criminals, despots, scumbags, spivs and a giant thicko would be mad.

But even allowing for all that, this is a simply a staggering development that almost beggars belief in its audacity to totally overlook Kinahan's background.

Fair play to Leo for trying but if this falls apart I'd imagine it will be Sky refusing to play ball

One also has to ask, how is Kinahan going to explain the tens of millions he will have to put up for this venture?

Finally, attempts over years by mobsters to cultivate big showy public images have generally ended very badly for them
Has Kinahan's ego got the better of him?
A moderator thinks that funny? Wow.
 

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Pro boxing has always had a criminal edge, but never has a promoter been acknowledged who is on the run for 18 odd murders. Its fascinating to see boxing as an industry fall in behind him.
A Spanish friend of mine, who is a beautiful technical boxer, went to train in a certain boxing club in Dublin. He was roundly outpointing people who had plenty of Irish fight experience, and was definitely ready to fight. He spoke to the boss at the club, who offered him a fight on condition that he lose. I can't stand it as a sport, or rather I think it is rotten to the core and spits on the hard work of very decent people.
 

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It's all great drama though.
I would love to see this fight but i don't trust it now regardless of what happens. The fight is now ruined.
 

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This is a saudi matter. The Ks haven't broke any laws there that we know about.

Saudi flag has a big sword down the middle because they conquered the country by force in the 1920s.
 

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Pro boxing is rotten to the core, how many other professional sports in the World has 4 or 5 different world chaampions.


This proves the point, as long a promoter has the dosh it does not matter or care how he earns it.
Amateur boxing has it's problems too
 

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Will be gas auld craic if the state ban the fight on Irish tv.
 

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Will be gas auld craic if the state ban the fight on Irish tv.
What do mean Irish TV, RTE, Virgin media TG4 would not be able to afford it, it will be more than likely it will be on pay per view either on SKY or BT sports. So if a peson here in Ire. who has SKY sports pay to waatch the fight can it be banned, it should be and any decent person should refuse to buy it here.
 

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What do mean Irish TV, RTE, Virgin media TG4 would not be able to afford it, it will be more than likely it will be on pay per view either on SKY or BT sports. So if a peson here in Ire. who has SKY sports pay to waatch the fight can it be banned, it should be and any decent person should refuse to buy it here.
Why not? The proceeds of the fight will be partially funding crime. If RTE can geoblock rugby north of the border, Sky can do the same for here. Failing that, banks can be instructed not to process payments.
 

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A Spanish friend of mine, who is a beautiful technical boxer, went to train in a certain boxing club in Dublin. He was roundly outpointing people who had plenty of Irish fight experience, and was definitely ready to fight. He spoke to the boss at the club, who offered him a fight on condition that he lose. I can't stand it as a sport, or rather I think it is rotten to the core and spits on the hard work of very decent people.

Great sport at schoolboy level , brilliant for self control, discipline and unbelievable fitness. Love Amateur boxing too.

Once it goes professional its as rotten as f***. Dont know why anyone watches it.
 

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A Spanish friend of mine, who is a beautiful technical boxer, went to train in a certain boxing club in Dublin. He was roundly outpointing people who had plenty of Irish fight experience, and was definitely ready to fight. He spoke to the boss at the club, who offered him a fight on condition that he lose. I can't stand it as a sport, or rather I think it is rotten to the core and spits on the hard work of very decent people.
straight out of "On The Waterfront" film Marlon Brando uttering to this "brother" played by Rod Steiger "I could have been somebody" after he was told to lose a fight in order to make money for gangsters fixing and making money off bookmakers.Nothing has really changed in 70 years and I expect if it is still sanctioned it will be the same in another 70 years.
 

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Bending the ear of a depotic Middle eastern tyrant about the crookedness of Daniel Kinahan is futile.
It is like warning a snake about a slithery slimy worm.
Ironically they probably treat each other with the greatest respect and honesty.
Its "the pirates code", "honesty among thieves" etc..
I'm sure they are all quite comfortable together, making money.
But nobody shafts a strongman like a western liberal govt. They are the ones to watch out for. Ask Saddam Hussein, once the darling of the west.

BTW, this sport is all about 2 people in a ring beating each other to a pulp. It does not attract angelic people to its ranks.
It is what it is. Beneath the thin veneer of human civilisation, a raging beast still lurks.
 

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There is a stink of the usual hypocrisy about all this .
The Chattering classes dont like to see him publicly successful and feted , but they don't mind getting their weekend coke from his cartel.
His fault would appear not to be his criminality but publicly parading his success
 

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I liked Tyson Fury until this. I forgave him for his biblical beliefs and defended him when the media attacked him for saying what gays did was wrong. However, to get involved with this crowd is wrong. Lou duva too. Disgusting.
 

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There is a stink of the usual hypocrisy about all this .
The Chattering classes dont like to see him publicly successful and feted , but they don't mind getting their weekend coke from his cartel.
His fault would appear not to be his criminality but publicly parading his success
You are correct regarding the hypocrisy of people who use illegal drugs and then complain about the violence it causes.
 

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There is a stink of the usual hypocrisy about all this .
The Chattering classes dont like to see him publicly successful and feted , but they don't mind getting their weekend coke from his cartel.
His fault would appear not to be his criminality but publicly parading his success
No if he can prove that his sucess as a boxing promoter is based on him making his fortune by legitlimate means and not by the illegal drug trade, a gangland feud where 15 or 16 people has being murdered. If it's all legilimate and it's all above board he should come home to answer the questions or offer to meet the gardai to answer questions, has Ire. a extradition treaty with Saudai Arabia.
 

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What exactly is this everyone's problem with this guy?

He comes from a criminal family. That doesn't make him a criminal.

The only problems seem to come from the usual tabloid garbage. Has he been convicted of any crime?

I read in the Sun Newspaper;
“If the Kinahans are dragged back to Ireland kicking and screaming, then every effort will be made to ensure there is enough evidence to bring them before the courts."
If there is not enough evidence now to bring him before the courts what good will bringing him back to Ireland do?


The Time reports;
In High Court and Special Criminal Court rulings Kinahan, along with his brother Christopher, has been named as the head of the Kinahan criminal organisation; they inherited the leadership from their father Christy Kinahan.
What evidence was presented?

The week before last, Mr Justice Hunt, at the Special Criminal Court in Dublin, said the court accepted Garda evidence the Kinahan criminal network was an organised crime gang involved in “execution-type murders” in the context of feuds “to protect its core activities”.
Apparently this "accepted Garda evidence" wasn't even enough to issue an arrest warrant.

Ireland must launch a process of “degrading” Kinahan’s standing in the international community, said Drew Harris.
Why should the State launch any such process on anybody, especially one for which there is no evidence of anything.
 


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