Knife attack on tourists in Egypt: 2 German women dead, four European women wounded

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Berlin 'dismayed and furious' over murder of German women in Egypt | Reuters

For your perusal. Two dead German ladies and four Eastern European ladies wounded.
In and of itself no big deal, people are dying every day. Even on the terrorism scale this amounts at first sight to small fry.
My deepest sympathy to the victims and their families and friends. The lone attacker came from Northern Egypt, student, late twenties took a bus to a town near the resort, bought a knife and paid entrance-fee to enter the complex then did his rampage.
Then he swam across to another strand and went at it again.
The story is out by the hotel staff that he suffers a mental condition... he certainly planned the attack to a T. lots of mental capacity there.

The main target of all this, apart from the unfortunate victims and loved ones is of course the Egyptain Foreign currency reserves and the North African Tourist industry. They get a sizable amount of their GDP from foreign tourists.

The female victims were attacked on the strand, so presumably they were wearing swimwear and hence would be considered immoral to a devout Islamic believer.

I wonder would this incident change your behaviour in any way: Cheap flights and holidays to Morroco, anyone? How 'bout Tunisia? The Sahal zone?
 


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Perpetrators of attacks on innocents should be made to spend time with the families of their victims.
 

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Berlin 'dismayed and furious' over murder of German women in Egypt | Reuters

For your perusal. Two dead German ladies and four Eastern European ladies wounded.
In and of itself no big deal, people are dying every day. Even on the terrorism scale this amounts at first sight to small fry.
My deepest sympathy to the victims and their families and friends. The lone attacker came from Northern Egypt, student, late twenties took a bus to a town near the resort, bought a knife and paid entrance-fee to enter the complex then did his rampage.
Then he swam across to another strand and went at it again.
The story is out by the hotel staff that he suffers a mental condition... he certainly planned the attack to a T. lots of mental capacity there.

The main target of all this, apart from the unfortunate victims and loved ones is of course the Egyptain Foreign currency reserves and the North African Tourist industry. They get a sizable amount of their GDP from foreign tourists.

The female victims were attacked on the strand, so presumably they were wearing swimwear and hence would be considered immoral to a devout Islamic believer.

I wonder would this incident change your behaviour in any way: Cheap flights and holidays to Morroco, anyone? How 'bout Tunisia? The Sahal zone?
I'd echo your sympathies.
And as you say the guy seems to have been in total control of his faculties.

We spent a few holidays in North Africa years ago. Egypt and Tunisia. No interest in returns since Sharm el Sheikh or Sousse attacks.
 
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Did a few holidays in Morocco and sousse in Tunisia. Hotels were ok but the town centres were occasionally unfriendly and intimidating. DIFFICULT to go on a pub crawl and certainly you needed to keep your wits about you. Certainly very risky to walk the markets in broad daylight by yourself. I was questioned many times as to my origins and could see the enquirer going down through a mental list of all the countries they disliked. WHAT really confused them was my ability to hop out of french after they announced hating the french...into English. ...more hatred...into spanish ...more vitriol. ..and finally into irish to be banished off to my shopping as they scratched their heads. ... do not holiday in these countries except if you have a burka.
 
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Did a few holidays in Morocco and sousse in Tunisia. Hotels were ok but the town centres were occasionally unfriendly and intimidating. DIFFICULT to go on a pub crawl and certainly you needed to keep your wits about you.
Vacations in the Third World are always like this in my experience.
 

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Did a few holidays in Morocco and sousse in Tunisia. Hotels were ok but the town centres were occasionally unfriendly and intimidating. DIFFICULT to go on a pub crawl and certainly you needed to keep your wits about you.
Then that is not a ''holiday''......You have to be on watchout all the time,what if you had young children to mind etc?
I know this sounds strange and possibly very stern and unforgiving but im glad for one that this has happened - as hopefully the surviving European women will wake the hell up and see that this is not some world is your oyster multicultural utopia where you can go anywhere or go do what you like! People have to be aware of the danger of islamic culture - it is certainly not for us. I sincerely hope this puts a very significant dent in the hospitality industry there as Egypt certainly deserves it - Just last month I heard of a polish girl on holidays there who was raped to death!
 

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Then that is not a ''holiday''......You have to be on watchout all the time,what if you had young children to mind etc?
I know this sounds strange and possibly very stern and unforgiving but im glad for one that this has happened - as hopefully the surviving European women will wake the hell up and see that this is not some world is your oyster multicultural utopia where you can go anywhere or go do what you like! People have to be aware of the danger of islamic culture - it is certainly not for us. I sincerely hope this puts a very significant dent in the hospitality industry there as Egypt certainly deserves it - Just last month I heard of a polish girl on holidays there who was raped to death!
The main tourists hot-spots are cordoned off from the teeming masses :) ... you could be cynical about this but the same probably happens here to a certain extent. No one wants the upset these foreigners with overweight wallets from unloading their munny so in general the top places are well patrolled and surveillanced etc.
In third world resorts -- doesn't have to be Muslim -- it can happen that the place is cordoned off so the dirt-poor natives are discouraged from mingling... I'm speaking in general here. I'm sure those places in Kenia/Jamaica etc where middle-aged women can take their pick of native boyfriends things would be arranged differently.
But with the rise of Islam and the serious attacks on tourists the story has taken a new twist. Of course places like Sharm el Sheikh and such are sectioned off from mainstream Egypt ... but how do you run a tourist industry like that?
On the one hand the natives will feel kind of like 2nd class citizens if they can't enjoy life like the visitors... (Hey there's socialist Cuba with the Fat capitalist swine enjoying the good life in the tourist parts sheltered from the sweating proletariat)
Then again, if all it takes for an attack is the busfare and the money to buy a knife and then you can swim across the bay to stab the sunbathers...
Shudder....
 

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dont go to muslim countries for your holidays
 

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Well then the Mujaheddin el Qualq and the El Nusra should step up the attacks here like in Nice.
Then people would think: "Sure it doesn't make any difference, Europe, Egypt, Tunisia... all dangerous. May as well go where it's cheap.
:( Help the Arab tourist Industry Now!

I suppose what has me fascinated is how people will react to all this. Of course they'll change from holidaying in North Africa for one, two years until it's all forgotten and the fear has died down. The brochures will be full of Ads for "Come to Sunny Morroco" again... and all is hunky dory until the next atrocity.
How many can recall the attacks in Luxor and how many people died? I beleive it took place in 1997/ or so.
 
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Well then the Mujaheddin el Qualq and the El Nusra should step up the attacks here like in Nice.
Then people would think: "Sure it doesn't make any difference, Europe, Egypt, Tunisia... all dangerous. May as well go where it's cheap.
:(

I suppose what has me fascinated is how people will react to all this. Of course they'll change from holidaying in North Africa for one, two years until it's all forgotten and the fear has died down. The brochures will be full of Ads for "Come to Sunny Morroco" again... and all is hunky dory until the next atrocity.
How many can recall the attacks in Luxor and how many people died? I beleive it took place in 1997/98 or so.
!997. The year we last visited.
I understand what you're saying - there are arguments both ways. If - for example -mandatory insurance charges are levied on holiday packages to certain destinations with a 'danger premium' and these are hiked to put people off buying packages to these destinations, people will simply move and buy online, and go anyway. it may be technically possible for the DFA to ban non-essential travel by Irish passport holders to certain destinations, but pity the politicians introducing and supporting those measures.
 

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Well then the Mujaheddin el Qualq and the El Nusra should step up the attacks here like in Nice.
Then people would think: "Sure it doesn't make any difference, Europe, Egypt, Tunisia... all dangerous. May as well go where it's cheap.
:( Help the Arab tourist Industry Now!

I suppose what has me fascinated is how people will react to all this. Of course they'll change from holidaying in North Africa for one, two years until it's all forgotten and the fear has died down. The brochures will be full of Ads for "Come to Sunny Morroco" again... and all is hunky dory until the next atrocity.
How many can recall the attacks in Luxor and how many people died? I beleive it took place in 1997/ or so.
Nice has a high population of Muslims so probably best not to got here either. Maybe tourist authorities should start doing a heat map? it might work for France where there arent many Muslims on the West coast
 

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Hurghada, where this tragedy occurred, was advised as being 'safe' by our own DFA. I wonder is that the kiss of death for any resort or venue? Does it make an area a potential target?
However -
Latest travel alert
There is a high risk of terrorist attacks in Egypt.
Why would anybody risk their annual two weeks in such a place?
 

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Racist attack be definition isn't it. He picked out the 'other' and slaughtered them.

Speculation on a religious aspect is likely to be baseless. He could well have been offended by the women bathing and wanted to do something about it but who can say for sure unless he left a message.

But racist, that's pretty incontrovertible.
 

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Did a Nile cruise after visiting Cairo 20 years ago.

No concept of the threat already in existence there.

Every trip to an archeological site from the boat, we had our passport details taken, and then were accompanied by the local police, the tourist police, and some other almost special forces types.

I thought this was mental overkill, and used to joke. Is that so you have the details to inform our family if we die?

They never found that funny.

Had a fantastic time.

Such great places to see.

We then stayed in Hurgada for a few days after all that.

One morning I went down to the lovely beach very early and noticed lots of these different heavily armed 'police' everywhere.

Went back to our room and found that 8 tourists had just been killed outside the Cairo museum, where we had been about 10 days earlier.

Our trip back across the desert to Luxor was a military convoy.

The road was more of a track, and our car came to a stop after a rock bounced up into the engine.

Most of the convoy passed apart from one military vehicle.

The driver got out and opened the bonnet to have a look. He was cursing a lot.

The soldiers/police got out of their jeep.

I got out to have a smoke and admire the view.

In a flash a soldier shoved me back into the car.

I then only noticed how anxiously the other soldiers were watching the surrounding hills.

We then transferred to their jeep and off to Luxor and the plane home.

Less than a month after we returned home, 62 people were slaughtered at the temple of Queen Hatshetput just outside Luxor, where we had visited.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre#

Never got the chance to bring my son to see all that. Not willing to take the risk.

Now glad that I have taken him to see London, Paris, Rome, etc a few years ago now.

Seeing as that cancer has now spread to Europe.

How very sad and real.
 

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Then again, if all it takes for an attack is the busfare and the money to buy a knife and then you can swim across the bay to stab the sunbathers...
Shudder....
- It seems to be that's all it took really....I would say he was in his full mental faculties - a simple plan yes but also well thought out.....
 

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Racist attack be definition isn't it. He picked out the 'other' and slaughtered them.

Speculation on a religious aspect is likely to be baseless. He could well have been offended by the women bathing and wanted to do something about it but who can say for sure unless he left a message.

But racist, that's pretty incontrovertible.

Racism?

Fücking imbecile.
 


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