Lab/SF government anyone?

antiestablishmentarian

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Just musing on yesterdays poll, a couple of things struck me. Between them, Sf and Lab have 40% of the vote. With support from reformist independents like Maureen O'Sullivan and Finian McGrath, and possibly a couple of others like Catherine Connolly in Galway who stand a chance of election, is it within the realms of possibility that SF/Lab could form the next government? I think it unlikely as it would put them both between a rock and a hard place. That said, it would have interesting repercussions if it panned out like that.

Firstly, to forestall such a move, it's not impossible that FG could form a coalition with FF and we might see the old civil war bogey laid to rest for good. It would also play a role in clearly delineating left and right politics, which is again a good thing for the left.
Secondly, if an SF/Lab government did form, or started negotiations on forming, it might put alot of pressure on the ULA to support the government or to join it. At present according to the bookies, the ULA stands to win 4 seats, 2 for the SP, Healy in Tipp South and one of the PBPA in Dublin, probably Joan Collins but RBB couldn't be ruled out either, although the presence of Gilmore in his constituency would squeeze him. If negotiations were started on forming a new left-leaning coalition, SF/Lab wouldn't be long trying to rope in the ULA, or painting them as naysayers and cranks for refusing to take part. It could put alot of pressure on the alliance and would be a very delicate political situation.

Those are my thoughts, anyone else think it possible? Or do people think there any other potential ramifications of such a coalition.
 


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You could haer the fear in pat kennys tongue when he mentioned the possibility of labour sinn fein and hard left independents government. It would be a great thing for ireland.
 

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Could FF be sneeky and support a minority SF/Labour Government? Some of them would be on just to sting FG !!
 

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Its not a government with FF in it so it couldn't be any worse - don't see this happening though.
 

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Gilmore said on the Late Late that he won't go in with Sf this time.
 

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Its not a government with FF in it so it couldn't be any worse - don't see this happening though.

You'd fancy having Adams or Snoddy as Minister for Defence or Justice, then?
 

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You'd fancy having Adams or Snoddy as Minister for Defence or Justice, then?
Dont forget Ferris as Justice Minister :D

The ULA will be smart and avoid this option, because this coalition will bring in cuts and support the IMF the same way FF will, better to go for long term growth than hop on this bandwagon.
 

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Dont forget Ferris as Justice Minister :D

The ULA will be smart and avoid this option, because this coalition will bring in cuts and support the IMF the same way FF will, better to go for long term growth than hop on this bandwagon.
+1

Yes that was my thought as well. It's possible that such a coalition may attempt to reverse some FF/Glasraí policies, but given Labs record and Gilmores statements on the 1 O'Clock news last week, that seems extremely unlikely. Lab are a neo-liberal party at the end of the day, and SF have proved themselves to be not so different during their time in power up North.
 

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Be a bad move for SF IMO. Labour, apart from their name are a right wing party - number one and number two - there is a very limited vote for so-called left parties in Ireland. Much better to keep options open - be practical, left when necessary and right when necessary. Thats the strength of FF. Being nationalist covers both and prevents being pulled in either cul-de-sac.

If SF become factionalized as only 'Left' then the FF swing to them will quickly fade away. Thats exactly the problem FG and Labour have always had. FG are much too right wing and people mis-trust them from past memories. Labour, well as we know they will do anything for a few mercs and percs but their 'Leftist' prentense reduces their vote also.

Why label yourself one or the othe if it puts people off from voting for you? Doesn't make any sense.
 

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You could haer the fear in pat kennys tongue when he mentioned the possibility of labour sinn fein and hard left independents government. It would be a great thing for ireland.
The first item on the agenda of the Dublin South Soviet would be the seizing of certain private lands in Dalkey, comrades. I foresee this would be a popular move among both the proletariat and bourgeoisie.

P.
 

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That's the sort of attitude that'll keep you in opposition for another five years.
It would take something for Labour to become the largest party coming from a base of 20 TDs and also the fact they haven't got an party organisation nationwide as good as Fianna Fail or Fine Gael. Eamon Gilmore's aspirations to be Taoiseach are indeed something dreamed of in fantasyland.
 

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Gilmore said on the Late Late that he won't go in with Sf this time.
"this time?" There might not be a better occasion. Everything could be changing, a new distribution of parties. Gilmore had better change his stance as soon as possible. Of course, a lot of internal talk in Lab. and looking at the reaction of the electorate will be paramount. The electorate will be expressing their wishes through transfers.
 


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