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Labour - a victim of political climate change?

Northsideman

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Don't you remember 2011?



And that's the rock that SF will perish on. They're promising every service to every voter and all to be done with lower taxes. That's simply not possible to achieve but voters never blame themselves, they always blame the party that's let them down.
Totally agree.
 


jmcc

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Being in the mid 20s is not stronger than being in the high 30s.
I was speaking about the effect on its infrastructure. The whole "us against the world" thing can be quite powerful for a party with a substantial infrastructure. There was always the certainty that the village idiot Kenny would eventually screw things up. The tide began to turn for FF when FG/Lab made a complete mess of the Water Tax thing along with the bailouts for its buddies. FF became the largest party at local government level in 2014. Varadkar's bungling of the NCH and Broadband issues may play a part in the LEs. Everyone seems to think that SF is the master of the long game but it is really FF.
 

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Don't you remember 2011?



And that's the rock that SF will perish on. They're promising every service to every voter and all to be done with lower taxes. That's simply not possible to achieve but voters never blame themselves, they always blame the party that's let them down.
Give over, would ya? SF aren't in government, and haven't been in the 26. Nobody is able to compare Labour to SF cos they don't have a record on this side of the border at all.
We're judging Labour on its actions, and we are finding Labour wanting.
It's not that there wasn't enough money to deliver on all its promises, and so their voters felt a bit short changed in some ways.
It is the fact that Labour fúkked its own voters over with the greatest of glee. This is why they are toxic and why they are going down the drain. They are finished, they will neve be available to act as FG's mudguard again.
Finito, khlass, kaput.
 

Baron von Biffo

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Give over, would ya? SF aren't in government, and haven't been in the 26. Nobody is able to compare Labour to SF cos they don't have a record on this side of the border at all.
We're judging Labour on its actions, and we are finding Labour wanting.
It's not that there wasn't enough money to deliver on all its promises, and so their voters felt a bit short changed in some ways.
It is the fact that Labour fúkked its own voters over with the greatest of glee. This is why they are toxic and why they are going down the drain. They are finished, they will neve be available to act as FG's mudguard again.
Finito, khlass, kaput.
SF will be in government some day.

SF will not be able to deliver on its promises in government.

SF voters will be miffed.
 

jmcc

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So which Labourite TDs will be climate refugees moving to other parties?
 

Barroso

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SF will be in government some day.

SF will not be able to deliver on its promises in government.

SF voters will be miffed.
True, like supporters of every party; there are always miffed voters around.

But totally irrelevant to today's elections.
 

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Is there any policy difference between Lab and the Greens?

Not much.
 

constitutionus

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even RTE is pointing out how much they needed the locals to get "new blood" in.

looks like THAT aint happening .

:D

theres a really impressive 25% block of "anybody but FF/G/LAB/SF" out there now. 15% of which is pure INDO . leastways if the exit polling is to be belived.

seems those pundits that thought we'd be back to the 2 and a half party system by now back in '11 are STILL wrong.
 

jmcc

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seems those pundits that thought we'd be back to the 2 and a half party system by now back in '11 are STILL wrong.
But they are RTE "experts". The same "experts" who got the 2014 LEs/Euros, the 2016 GE, Brexit and the 2016 US presidential election wrong. Even the three wise monkeys in the Irish Times were talking about a Labour revival, weren't they? They couldn't all have been wrong, could they? :)
 

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I don't recall Labour ever taking it that seriously. When Howlin was Environment minister in the 1990s Rainbow government, the Irish govt was arguing that because of economic growth, we shouldn't have to make cuts in emissions.
 

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I don't recall Labour ever taking it that seriously. When Howlin was Environment minister in the 1990s Rainbow government, the Irish govt was arguing that because of economic growth, we shouldn't have to make cuts in emissions.
Like FF and FG they let once off housing get out if control.
Any party that isn't against once off housing isn't an environmentally friendly one in my book.
 

Baron von Biffo

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I don't recall Labour ever taking it that seriously. When Howlin was Environment minister in the 1990s Rainbow government, the Irish govt was arguing that because of economic growth, we shouldn't have to make cuts in emissions.
Two Green candidates in the Dublin locals on RTE a while ago being quite gung-ho about carbon taxes. They reckon people will support them.

:)
 

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Imagine if the labour party were in government from 1997 to 2011 and made decisions which increased government expenditure from 20 bn to 100 bn and were responsible for the biggest financial calamity since independence we would really have some basis for criticism.

Instead they were part of the opposition then.

That opposition was described by the then media as being 'as appetising as contracting the Ebola virus'.

Even worse they went into government which inherited the calamity and had to deal with the consequences.

At present the people who were in continuous power for long enough to bankrupt the country are being cheer led back into government and the labour party are being blamed for the consequences of the bankruptcy and the cost of the bailout.

Hypocrisy or what?
 

jmcc

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Seems that the Labourite trolls in the other place are rather upset with the Greens doing well. Wonder how RTE and the IT are doing?
 

wombat

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Seems that the Labourite trolls in the other place are rather upset with the Greens doing well. Wonder how RTE and the IT are doing?
They'll just switch bandwagons until the Greens threaten their pockets.
 

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