Labour and Repeal the 8th?

Eventualities

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Something's bothering me.

Since their well-deserved deposition from power in 2016, Labour have been outwardly making gestures towards "progressive" causes (like craft beer and... uhhhh...appearing in Hot Press), generally acting like nothing happened between 2011 and 2016.

This even went as far as Howlin talking about recruiting Shinners and Trots, as well as talking about a "grand left coalition" involving Sinn Féin and other centrist spoofers like the Greens (but not the actual left).

To this end, the Together 4 Yes campaign has been a godsend for Labour, allowing them to dress up as lefties again and campaign to repeal the eighth, as if they'd ever scratched their holes on the topic while in power at any point after its inclusion in the constitution.

I desperately want the Eighth repealed in this country and support T4Y, but it horrifies me to think that the party that did untold damage women in this country throughout the austerity years, with targeted cuts to lone parents' allowance specifically, is now utilising this referendum as a cheap way to rehabilitate themselves and go kiteflying for coalition partners.

What does p.ie think?
 
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The Red Blueshirt Fúcking Filth were out putting up repeal posters in Central Dublin the other day and quite honestly, analogous to The OO Shytebags with their NO march in Edinbourgh prior to The Scottish Independence Referendum, it will do the cause vastly more harm than good!
 

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Yes or no result on Friday - this won't effect Labour whatsoever. They will be down in the dumps for the next election cycle. Howlin will step down and probably get Alan Kelly in. They will be like the Greens, no sign of recovery.
 

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The Red Blueshirt Fúcking Filth were out putting up repeal posters in Central Dublin the other day and quite honestly, analogous to The OO Shytebags with their NO march in Edinbourgh prior to The Scottish Independence Referendum, it will do the cause vastly more harm than good!
My follow-up question - are Labour moles/shadow-ops for the No crowd?
 

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Something's bothering me.

Since their well-deserved deposition from power in 2016, Labour have been outwardly making gestures towards "progressive" causes (like craft beer and... uhhhh...appearing in Hot Press), generally acting like nothing happened between 2011 and 2016.

This even went as far as Howlin talking about recruiting Shinners and Trots, as well as talking about a "grand left coalition" involving Sinn Féin and other centrist spoofers like the Greens (but not the actual left).

To this end, the Together 4 Yes campaign has been a godsend for Labour, allowing them to dress up as lefties again and campaign to repeal the eighth, as if they'd ever scratched their holes on the topic while in power at any point after its inclusion in the constitution.

I desperately want the Eighth repealed in this country, but it horrifies me to think that the party that did untold damage women in this country throughout the austerity years, with targeted cuts to lone parents' allowance specifically, is now utilising this referendum as a cheap way to rehabilitate themselves.

What does p.ie think?
Since Dick Spring, Identity Politics has been the Irish Labour Party's way of appearing left-wing while being right-of-centre. There is little or nothing separating a bourgeois feminist like Ivana Bacik and a Progressive Democrat 'human rights' advocate like Colm O'Gorman. Depoliticise economics and politicise everything else.
 

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Since Dick Spring, Identity Politics has been the Irish Labour Party's way of appearing left-wing while being right-of-centre. There is little or nothing separating a bourgeois feminist like Ivana Bacik and a Progressive Democrat 'human rights' advocate like Colm O'Gorman. They depoliticised economics and politicised everything else.
If Labour were arsed with id-pol, they'd have helped get rid of Direct Provision. They're not. They don't even have that.
 

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If Labour were arsed with id-pol, they'd have helped get rid of Direct Provision. They're not. They don't even have that.
Identity Politics in Ireland is basically gender and sexuality. Direct Provision is an issue of socioeconomic status. Not sexy enough for Labour.
 

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What does p.ie think?
I think Labour's been in favour of this forever but the polls never really supported a referendum. I think conflating a social/moral issue like abortion with financial decisions in different areas is misguided.
 

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The Labour "brand" which morons subscribe to is laughable , just like the rest of the "brands", money , power, pensions, is the goal,

Gimmiemore is one of the best examples of a moron that is a millionaire despite having never created one single euro through his lifetime of endeavours as he never had a real job in his entire life but milk the taxpayer all the way,

When Quinn had his "driver" go from Dublin to Galway every morning you had to laugh at these con artists, but his AIB brother millionaire , his rather posh D4 residence etc, meant nothing to the plebs that think about politics,

Sure SF Mary Low is pissing her self laughing while in the million euro pad in Castleknock looking for dole votes,, Sutherland would be proud of his offspring,, sell misery like fook, live like kings, Geldof and Bono are probably sucking each others knobs as we speak, they cannot believe how stupid we are,,
 

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Identity Politics in Ireland is basically gender and sexuality. Direct Provision is an issue of socioeconomic status. Not sexy enough for Labour.
Re: gender - they did f**k all about gender recognition/determination in power. Re: #marref - Labour have been taking credit for three decades of work by Ireland's LGBT community in going from criminality under Irish law to equality.
 

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sell misery like fook
Labour were pushing the recovery myth at GE16, and got eaten alive for lying shamelessly.

You're on the money otherwise - Howlin's €3m pad needs a registered company for its maintenance, apparently
 

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I think Labour's been in favour of this forever but the polls never really supported a referendum. I think conflating a social/moral issue like abortion with financial decisions in different areas is misguided.
Polls are rigged. The people supported a referendum. They had the power to make one happen. They chose not to rock any boats.

The financial decisions they took had social/moral ramifications of a lost decade, suicides, emigration, mental health timebombs, etc.
 

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Labour's big problem is that Labour is a toxic brand. As for media appearances: Brendan Who?

Labour betrayed its Working Class supporters and handed them over to SF. Labour sold out its Middle Class supporters. Labour wanted to impose a Water Tax. The only thing that Labour politicians seemed to be interested in was keeping their snouts in the public trough. A bunch of f*cking snouters.
 

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Labour have never benefitted electorally for the various social liberalisations they have pushed, whether divorce, , contraception legalisation, right to travel/information, marriage equality and I dont see why this will be any different.
 

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Something's bothering me.

Since their well-deserved deposition from power in 2016, Labour have been outwardly making gestures towards "progressive" causes (like craft beer and... uhhhh...appearing in Hot Press), generally acting like nothing happened between 2011 and 2016.

This even went as far as Howlin talking about recruiting Shinners and Trots, as well as talking about a "grand left coalition" involving Sinn Féin and other centrist spoofers like the Greens (but not the actual left).

To this end, the Together 4 Yes campaign has been a godsend for Labour, allowing them to dress up as lefties again and campaign to repeal the eighth, as if they'd ever scratched their holes on the topic while in power at any point after its inclusion in the constitution.

I desperately want the Eighth repealed in this country and support T4Y, but it horrifies me to think that the party that did untold damage women in this country throughout the austerity years, with targeted cuts to lone parents' allowance specifically, is now utilising this referendum as a cheap way to rehabilitate themselves and go kiteflying for coalition partners.

What does p.ie think?
Abortion does damage women

- it gets them to kill their own child.....

Labour like all the other parties is Leinster House are Charlatans

- I don't trust any of them

- & I certainly don't trust them over matter of Life & Death of Unborn Babies

I mean would you trust them with your own Baby?

I wouldn't - No Way Baby!
 

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Labour's big problem is that Labour is a toxic brand. As for media appearances: Brendan Who?

Labour betrayed its Working Class supporters and handed them over to SF. Labour sold out its Middle Class supporters. Labour wanted to impose a Water Tax. The only thing that Labour politicians seemed to be interested in was keeping their snouts in the public trough. A bunch of f*cking snouters.
And their grandees, Fake Socialist Rubbish, if ever there was any, have ridden out of Dodge into millionaire level pensions!
 

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Yes or no result on Friday - this won't effect Labour whatsoever. They will be down in the dumps for the next election cycle. Howlin will step down and probably get Alan Kelly in. They will be like the Greens, no sign of recovery.
I hope Kelly becomes their leader for very obvious reasons!petunia
No better man!petunia
 

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Labour were pushing the recovery myth at GE16, and got eaten alive for lying shamelessly.

You're on the money otherwise - Howlin's €3m pad needs a registered company for its maintenance, apparently
Thats absolute bulls~it, where did you dig that lie up?
 

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Since Dick Spring, Identity Politics has been the Irish Labour Party's way of appearing left-wing while being right-of-centre. There is little or nothing separating a bourgeois feminist like Ivana Bacik and a Progressive Democrat 'human rights' advocate like Colm O'Gorman. Depoliticise economics and politicise everything else.
I think this is the reality of the matter.
Tommy Broughan got out as soon as it became clear that Lab would have no effect on FG's rightwing policies in 2011.
 


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