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Labour and the abolition of Town councils


rockofcashel

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This has come up on the Meath East thread, and will be lost in the discussion, but I think it merits a thread of its own.

Currently, legislation is being drawn up to abolish town councils, and reform county councils into Municipal Districts, with wholescale changes in voting areas.

These changes will only take place if the legislation is passed.

Do people now think, that the Labour Party may oppose such changes, in the hope of perhaps saving some portion of their town councillor base, or will they risk heading further into oblivion by losing a huge portion of elected reps post the changes

The fact that this legislation is being brought forward by Phil Hogan, will also give Labour rebels another opportunity to have a kick at a Minister that they feel is in a large part responsible for their predicaments with the public..

Do people think it is possible, likely even, that Labour may decide .. in the interests of local democracy of course ... to reject this legislation ? And if so, what effect might it have on ongoing relations within the Labour Party itself, and the wider Government ?
 

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Some Labour Town Councillors are unhappy about Hogan's proposals. Now is their time to go vocal
 

Casualbets

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This has come up on the Meath East thread, and will be lost in the discussion, but I think it merits a thread of its own.

Currently, legislation is being drawn up to abolish town councils, and reform county councils into Municipal Districts, with wholescale changes in voting areas.

These changes will only take place if the legislation is passed.

Do people now think, that the Labour Party may oppose such changes, in the hope of perhaps saving some portion of their town councillor base, or will they risk heading further into oblivion by losing a huge portion of elected reps post the changes

The fact that this legislation is being brought forward by Phil Hogan, will also give Labour rebels another opportunity to have a kick at a Minister that they feel is in a large part responsible for their predicaments with the public..

Do people think it is possible, likely even, that Labour may decide .. in the interests of local democracy of course ... to reject this legislation ? And if so, what effect might it have on ongoing relations within the Labour Party itself, and the wider Government ?
Interesting point. The Town Councils at present allow Labour to maintain a level of representation in areas - and indeed counties - they otherwise wouldn't have any representation. True, the new areas being between 10 to 6 seats will allow them to maintain representation in some areas, but its highly unlikely that even a ten seater will elect a Labour Cllr outside metropolitan areas and (parts of) the commuter belt...
 

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You are suggesting that the Labour Party refuses to reform local government in the interests of the Labour Party?
 

gijoe

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The added seats in the commuter belt and Dublin County Councils will be attractive to Labour along with the bigger EA's. The likes of Clare going from 32 to to 20 odd seats are not going to worry Labour. There is enough new seats in the greater Dublin area to make it attractive overall for them.
 

Casualbets

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The added seats in the commuter belt and Dublin County Councils will be attractive to Labour along with the bigger EA's. The likes of Clare going from 32 to to 20 odd seats are not going to worry Labour. There is enough new seats in the greater Dublin area to make it attractive overall for them.
Not sure the rural wing of the Labour wing will be quite so excited...
 

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You are suggesting that the Labour Party refuses to reform local government in the interests of the Labour Party?
I think what he's saying is that individual Labour deputies will refuse THIS reform.
 

ger12

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I think what he's saying is that individual Labour deputies will refuse THIS reform.
In the interests of the Labour Party, and not the interests of the people and reform of local government. ;)
 

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Not sure the rural wing of the Labour wing will be quite so excited...
They don't really matter in the overall scheme of things as far as Labour are concerned. They are focused on the Greater Dublin Area, then the other cities with rural areas coming a bad 3rd.
 

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In the interests of the Labour Party, and not the interests of the people and reform of local government. ;)
It's not abundantly clear to me that these reforms are in the interests of the people and of local government.
 

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It's not abundantly clear to me that these reforms are in the interests of the people and of local government.
:shock:
 

rockofcashel

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You are suggesting that the Labour Party refuses to reform local government in the interests of the Labour Party?
In the interests of local democracy of course.. which just coincidentally happens in this case to also be in the interests of the Labour Party
 

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It's a disgrace to democracy to abolish all the town councils, we definitely need a cull, large towns say 15,000+ should keep theirs. Places above say 5,000+ should be permitted to elect some form of an advisory council that would have an input at county level.
 

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In the next few weeks.. there will be a huge campaign to save the town councils.. the legislation doesn't go in front of the Dail till May.. and being proposed by Phil Hogan, who is almost universally hated... this is exactly the kind of Bill that will give the Labour benches upset with their leadership a chance to kick up stink
 

jackryan

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In the next few weeks.. there will be a huge campaign to save the town councils.. the legislation doesn't go in front of the Dail till May.. and being proposed by Phil Hogan, who is almost universally hated... this is exactly the kind of Bill that will give the Labour benches upset with their leadership a chance to kick up stink
I think they should be more concerned with actual issues that concern real people!!
 

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It's not abundantly clear to me that these reforms are in the interests of the people and of local government.
Prehaps not but that just means you are not familiar with the workings of Bagenalstown Council (Co. Carlow). A more useless and pointless body would be hard to find. These one horse town councils are a total waste of resources.
 

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Drummed, I raise you Bundoran Town Council to match your Bangelstown Town Council. Town Councils are, with a few exceptions, a waste of resources. People who support their retention are seeking a kindergarten for their political ambitions... A holding area, if you will.
 

gijoe

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In the next few weeks.. there will be a huge campaign to save the town councils.. the legislation doesn't go in front of the Dail till May.. and being proposed by Phil Hogan, who is almost universally hated... this is exactly the kind of Bill that will give the Labour benches upset with their leadership a chance to kick up stink
And make them look even worse in the public eye who do not give a fiddlers for saving local Cllrs.
 

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Prehaps not but that just means you are not familiar with the workings of Bagenalstown Council (Co. Carlow). A more useless and pointless body would be hard to find. These one horse town councils are a total waste of resources.
Local Government is in need of radical reform but what's proposed is not that.
 

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In the interests of the Labour Party, and not the interests of the people and reform of local government. ;)
If the Labour party do block his reforms then it will just look like what you say. A Labour party preservation attempt.
Thats the first thiong that entered my mind as soon as it read the title of the thread. Most people will see that for what it is.
All said, I don't fully agree with the ministers views on reform in this sector.
 
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