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Labour at 2% Core (B&A Jan 2019) Plans for the future?




jmcc

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Funny to see such an absolute troll failure from Biffo in quoting the wrong post. :) This is what the Irish Times said in that article:
"The regional breakdowns of a national poll are derived from a smaller sample size (the national sample size was 1,500 in this poll) and therefore carries a larger margin of error. They should be seen as indicative, rather than absolute numbers. However, they are useful as likely evidence of broad trends among voters. "
 

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I don't expect a huge Labour recovery , it will time but the party is becoming relevent again.
There will be no "labour" recovery while Burton is trotted out to screech on its behalf. She's at it on Yates's programme right now. She's an obnoxious, hypocritical, depressing relic of the "labour" party traitors.
 

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I don't expect a huge Labour recovery , it will time but the party is becoming relevent again.
Give it a break, Labour don't have a large enough base to copy FF and slink back after a short period in purgatory. A left wing Labour party is irrelevant if it has no youth engagement and radicalism, and with the likes of Howlin, Burton, and all the other neo-liberal SIPTU lackeys that will definately never happen.

The party isn't even re-calibrating to present a leftwing vision that young people can engage with and you think it'll become relevant again? How? Through starting an undertakers business? Give it a break, unless Labour really breaks it's mold, it's a dead party that serves only the interests of extremely wealthy trade unionists. Another niche lobbyist party for the affluent suberbs just like the Greens.
 

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I don't expect a huge Labour recovery , it will time but the party is becoming relevent again.

I cant see Labour recovering , its brand of Social Democracy is generally held in contempt by the left , and most SD clothing has been stolen by centre right parties anyway not just in Ireland , and it has shown absolutely no willing to move left or even address its failings and the reason for its collapse .
Like you the Labour party seem to think its just cyclical .....but it ignores the fact that its left flank , for the first time offers an alternative and its right flank has been taken by FG and FF.

Its front bench is decrepit and a bad reminder of its days of propping up the most right wing Government in history.......... ,Howlin , O'Sullivan , Burton etc etc

Any political new blood seems to be going to other parties
 

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There will be no "labour" recovery while Burton is trotted out to screech on its behalf. She's at it on Yates's programme right now. She's an obnoxious, hypocritical, depressing relic of the "labour" party traitors.
We need a bit more to the democratic discourse than just personalised abuse.

Labour is the oldest political party in the state.

It has contributed to the political life of the country for over a century.

We can agree or disagree with them but 'traitors' they are not.
 

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We need a bit more to the democratic discourse than just personalised abuse.

Labour is the oldest political party in the state.

It has contributed to the political life of the country for over a century.

We can agree or disagree with them but 'traitors' they are not.
That very much depends where you stand, if you are as someone I know who is 59 and disabled and have seen many of the basic services you need dismantled under Labour then you might have a different attitude and would most certainly believe they betrayed you. You would definitely believe Labour visited personalised abuse on you and you wouldn't give a flying fuk that Labour is the oldest party in the state or WTF they have contributed to political life. That's the bit Labour apologists don't get.
 
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That very much depends where you stand, if you are as someone I know who is 59 and disabled and have seen many of the basic services you need dismantled under Labour then you might have a different attitude and would most certainly believe they betrayed you. You would definitely believe Labour visited personalised abuse on you and you wouldn't give a flying fuk that Labour is the oldest party in the state or WTF they have contributed to political life. That's the bit Labour apologists don't get.
Labour did not dismantle the basic services.

The reckless decisions in the pre 2009 period to triple government expenditure and triple bank lending led to the bailout of 2010 and resulted in the cuts in public services.

Labour had to deal with the consequences with the direction of the ECB and the IMF who were supervising an 85 bn euro bailout.
 

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Didn’t Labour oppose the bank bailout?

FG only care about foreign property companies and Irish developers (including protecting the corrupt ones) . FF are equally in the pocket of developers and drove us to the IMF.

I’ve voted FF/FG/PD all my life but now either lab/SF or most likely the greens - none of which will win many seats.
 

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Any political new blood seems to be going to other parties
Labour's key demographic is the Nice But Dim (student union politicians, teachers who want a full year's salary for only working 36 weeks out of 52, Irish Times opinionators etc) demographic. Unfortunately for Labour, the Social Democrats are fishing in the same pool of voters and more likely to get the younger NBD voters. The older Labour voters are dying off (the 1968 Paris wannabes) and SF is moving in on the unions aspect of Labour's old support. As the NBDs age, they are more likely to switch to traditional FF/FG and, increasingly, SF.
 

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Labour did not dismantle the basic services.

The reckless decisions in the pre 2009 period to triple government expenditure and triple bank lending led to the bailout of 2010 and resulted in the cuts in public services.

Labour had to deal with the consequences with the direction of the ECB and the IMF who were supervising an 85 bn euro bailout.
Bullfukinshit Labour promised it would be Labour's way NOT Frankfurt's way. People took that on board and voted accordingly. You are now trying to rewrite history and making a p!ss poor effort at it. But you obviously don't give a fiddlers.
 

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Bullfukinshit Labour promised it would be Labour's way NOT Frankfurt's way. People took that on board and voted accordingly. You are now trying to rewrite history and making a p!ss poor effort at it. But you obviously don't give a fiddlers.
Labour didn't win the election.

They got 37 seats.

Only once have FF or FG gone as low as this in their history.

Not a great mandate.
 

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Labour didn't win the election.

They got 37 seats.

Only once have FF or FG gone as low as this in their history.

Not a great mandate.
Indeed but they trooped through the lobbies to vote through the cuts and then sent out the likes of Amadan to vigorously defend it. Indeed he still defends it.
 
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Bullfukinshit Labour promised it would be Labour's way NOT Frankfurt's way. People took that on board and voted accordingly. You are now trying to rewrite history and making a p!ss poor effort at it. But you obviously don't give a fiddlers.
One of the most significant developments in the history of this country since independence was that it was bankrupt by the decisions of a small number of its own most powerful citizens in the decade or so prior to 2009.

The result was that the country had to be bailed out by the EU/IMF in 2010.

In 2010 government expenditure was roughly 100 bn and government income 50bn. Near world record collapse relative to the size of the economy.

Unemployment reached 15% as a result. Emigration went through the roof.

Labour was part of the administration that inherited the consequent difficult situation in the post-2011 government.

Yet so far the only party to suffer severely long term as a result of the bankrupting of this country is the Labour Party.
 

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One of the most significant developments in the history of this country since independence was that it was bankrupt by the decisions of a small number of its own most powerful citizens in the decade or so prior to 2009.

The result was that the country had to be bailed out by the EU/IMF in 2010.

In 2010 government expenditure was roughly 100 bn and government income 50bn. Near world record collapse relative to the size of the economy.

Unemployment reached 15% as a result. Emigration went through the roof.

Labour was part of the administration that inherited the consequent difficult situation in the post-2011 government.

Yet so far the only party to suffer severely long term as a result of the bankrupting of this country is the Labour Party.
You still don't get it. All that was known prior to the election, Labour promised it would be their way not Frankfurts way and people voted as such. Labour betrayed them, what part of that do you not understand?
 

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You still don't get it. All that was known prior to the election, Labour promised it would be their way not Frankfurts way and people voted as such. Labour betrayed them, what part of that do you not understand?
In 2002 the Irish people were told by their media that 'all the great battles on corruption and taxation had been won'.

They were also told that the then opposition which included the Labour party were 'as appetising as contracting the Ebola virus'.

They were also told in 2002 that it was '20 years since an opposition party was elected into government' and that it was 'less likely to happen in 2002'.

Yet when the people who were re-elected with media approval for decades made decisions in the 2000-2009 period which bankrupt the country the people who were blamed for the consequences were the Labour party who were not in power then.

At present people who were re-elected successively for a long time in the pre-2009 period and whose decisions bankrupt the country are complaining about the consequences of those decisions and are blaming everyone else including the labour party.
 
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Labour was part of the administration that inherited the consequent difficult situation in the post-2011 government.

Yet so far the only party to suffer severely long term as a result of the bankrupting of this country is the Labour Party.
I think all of the major parties have suffered, its just that Labour had a smaller base. Remember when single party govt was a core FF belief? or when the Sindo were pushing a reverse takeover of FG by the PDs? I think the local elections will see a recovery by Labour though to what an extent, I have no idea. Currently we have a Dublin City council which is paralysed and a Dail which is semi paralysed. Opposing everything is not a policy. The Labour party was formed as the political wing of the union movement, if the unions could organise the minimum wage, casual workers and improve their livelihoods, they could get union activists to stand for election as was done in the past.
 

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