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Labour chooses Eamonn Maloney as Pat Rabbitte's running mate in Dublin South West


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Cllr Eamonn Maloney was tonight selected to run in the next general election for the Labour Party in Dublin South West, he'll be on the ballot paper along with sitting Labour TD Pat Rabbitte.

Maloney took the second seat in the recent local elections for Labour in Tallaght South.

Pat Rabbitte was elected on the second count in the last General Election (in 2007), taking the third seat behind Conor Lenihan FF and Brian Hayes FG who were both elected on the first count.

Labour continue their aggressive and ambitious two-candidate strategy, and this could be a very interesting constituency for Labour to play for. Sean Crowe SF lost his seat here in 2007, and if one of the two Fianna Fail seats are in danger (either Conor Lenihan's or Charlie "Tallaght Tallaght Tallagh..." O'Connor) the fourth seat could be a dogfight for votes between Labour for a second seat and Sinn Fein trying to regain it, it really does depend on where Fianna Fail transfer are likely to go in this constituency.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on Labour taking this seat in Dublin South West, just don't ask me which Fianna Failer he'll take it from!
 
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Cllr Eamonn Maloney was tonight selected to run in the next general election for the Labour Party in Dublin South West, he'll be on the ballot paper along with sitting Labour TD Pat Rabbitte.

Maloney took the second seat in the recent local elections for Labour in Tallaght South.

Pat Rabbitte was elected on the second count in the last General Election (in 2007), taking the third seat behind Conor Lenihan FF and Brian Hayes FG who were both elected on the first count.

Labour continue their aggressive and ambitious two-candidate strategy, and this could be a very interesting constituency for Labour to play for. Sean Crowe SF lost his seat here in 2007, and if one of the two Fianna Fail seats are in danger (either Conor Lenihan's or Charlie "Tallaght Tallaght Tallagh..." O'Connor) the fourth seat could be a dogfight for votes between Labour for a second seat and Sinn Fein trying to regain it, it really does depend on where Fianna Fail transfer are likely to go in this constituency.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on Labour taking this seat in Dublin South West, just don't ask me which Fianna Failer he'll take it from!
Charlie and Conor know. Ask them. They would each say "not me. The other guy" (while publicly saying "Lads I'm in trouble. The other guy is safe. Vote for me, not him!):cool:
 

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Cllr Eamonn Maloney was tonight selected to run in the next general election for the Labour Party in Dublin South West, he'll be on the ballot paper along with sitting Labour TD Pat Rabbitte.

Maloney took the second seat in the recent local elections for Labour in Tallaght South.

Pat Rabbitte was elected on the second count in the last General Election (in 2007), taking the third seat behind Conor Lenihan FF and Brian Hayes FG who were both elected on the first count.

Labour continue their aggressive and ambitious two-candidate strategy, and this could be a very interesting constituency for Labour to play for. Sean Crowe SF lost his seat here in 2007, and if one of the two Fianna Fail seats are in danger (either Conor Lenihan's or Charlie "Tallaght Tallaght Tallagh..." O'Connor) the fourth seat could be a dogfight for votes between Labour for a second seat and Sinn Fein trying to regain it, it really does depend on where Fianna Fail transfer are likely to go in this constituency.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on Labour taking this seat in Dublin South West, just don't ask me which Fianna Failer he'll take it from!
Eamon was a member of the DSP as was Mick Conaghan.
 
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Can I be a little silly and ask what the DSP is and how it's relevant?

He was IND in '87, didn't get elected, and was a Labour candidate since 91.
 

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Can I be a little silly and ask what the DSP is and how it's relevant?

He was IND in '87, didn't get elected, and was a Labour candidate since 91.
Ah but you know the left, David. They just love their badges. X was in the DSP. Y was in the People's Movement for Socialism. Z was in the Socialist People's Movement (Marxist-Leninist).

In the real world it doesn't matter two figs. But on the left these trinkets matter. (It sometimes seems that only royalty and the left care so much about titles and badges and who is descended from whom and who is (politically) illegitimate, etc.) :p
 

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Have to say I'm surprised at this choice by Labour. Either Marie Corr or Mick Duff would be based much closer to Crowe's Springfield/West Tallaght base, and could thus drag his vote down a bit, and thus have a much better chance of being close to or ahead of him on the first count. In that scenario, then either a Rabbitte surplus or possible FG votes coming into play later would give that Labour candidate the edge. Whereas I don't see Maloney getting a whole lot of Crowe's votes, or votes other than Labour votes that were already going to Rabbitte anyway.

Strange choice - either Labour figure that their vote is high enough to give them two seats regardless of the candidates, or Maloney had the votes and bulldozed through convention, or else Rabbitte viewed Maloney as the least threat to himself, and thus facilitated his passage through convention.
 

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Have to say I'm surprised at this choice by Labour. Either Marie Corr or Mick Duff would be based much closer to Crowe's Springfield/West Tallaght base, and could thus drag his vote down a bit, and thus have a much better chance of being close to or ahead of him on the first count. In that scenario, then either a Rabbitte surplus or possible FG votes coming into play later would give that Labour candidate the edge. Whereas I don't see Maloney getting a whole lot of Crowe's votes, or votes other than Labour votes that were already going to Rabbitte anyway.

Strange choice - either Labour figure that their vote is high enough to give them two seats regardless of the candidates, or Maloney had the votes and bulldozed through convention, or else Rabbitte viewed Maloney as the least threat to himself, and thus facilitated his passage through convention.

The second scenario more likely... From what hear about Tipp South, FG are going the same way.. two candidate strategy, but the sitting TD is making sure it won't be the strongest second candidate in the world.. Sean Crowe will regain a seat here
 

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Can I be a little silly and ask what the DSP is and how it's relevant?

He was IND in '87, didn't get elected, and was a Labour candidate since 91.
The DSP was the Democratic Socialist Party founded and led by the late Jim Kemmy. It had a very honourable stand on a number of issues and merged with Labour in the late 1980s.
 

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Have to say I'm surprised at this choice by Labour. Either Marie Corr or Mick Duff would be based much closer to Crowe's Springfield/West Tallaght base, and could thus drag his vote down a bit, and thus have a much better chance of being close to or ahead of him on the first count. In that scenario, then either a Rabbitte surplus or possible FG votes coming into play later would give that Labour candidate the edge. Whereas I don't see Maloney getting a whole lot of Crowe's votes, or votes other than Labour votes that were already going to Rabbitte anyway.

Strange choice - either Labour figure that their vote is high enough to give them two seats regardless of the candidates, or Maloney had the votes and bulldozed through convention, or else Rabbitte viewed Maloney as the least threat to himself, and thus facilitated his passage through convention.
Initial soundings I've got indicate that he merely had the most votes at the convention, and it was that reason alone that got him elected. Personally I would have thought Mick Duff might have been selected, as to me he would have been their best chance to get a second seat - but Maloney backed him to take a seat for Labour in Tallaght Central over there other two candidates (Who also got in as well I know) so maybe it was payback time, and thus Maloney trumped in the end?

Some try to make out that corr and Maloney camps do not see eye to eye, to say the least, but it will be all hands on deck from Labour to get two seats when the election starts to loom nearer on the horizon.

As for SF - no offence - But do they have the bodies needed etc to put in the type of sustained and active campaign to get Crowe elected? I think not. Whereas Labour would have the resources in DSW to push for 2 seats. from what I hear from people off other parties, SF don't even have a 1/3 of the activists they had with them when Crowe got elected in 2002...
 

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The second scenario more likely... From what hear about Tipp South, FG are going the same way.. two candidate strategy, but the sitting TD is making sure it won't be the strongest second candidate in the world.. Sean Crowe will regain a seat here
Theres 0% chance of a 2nd FG seat in tipp south anyway, the 2nd candidate must know that. Re: Labour, I'm surprise myself. I'd have thought Corr had a higher profile, being a former Mayor etc plus being the only women with any prospect of a seat.
 

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Duff is currently mayor and has a huge profile in the community. A colossal mistake by Labour selecting Moloney as Duff would have taken votes off both Crowe and FF. Moloney will just attract voters from the same pool as Rabbitte.
 

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Yes, reckon the TD and his backroom boys reckoned they had the numbers to put Duff across the lline. The best laid plans of mice and men etc, etc........
 

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Initial soundings I've got indicate that he merely had the most votes at the convention, and it was that reason alone that got him elected. Personally I would have thought Mick Duff might have been selected, as to me he would have been their best chance to get a second seat - but Maloney backed him to take a seat for Labour in Tallaght Central over there other two candidates (Who also got in as well I know) so maybe it was payback time, and thus Maloney trumped in the end?

Some try to make out that corr and Maloney camps do not see eye to eye, to say the least, but it will be all hands on deck from Labour to get two seats when the election starts to loom nearer on the horizon.

As for SF - no offence - But do they have the bodies needed etc to put in the type of sustained and active campaign to get Crowe elected? I think not. Whereas Labour would have the resources in DSW to push for 2 seats. from what I hear from people off other parties, SF don't even have a 1/3 of the activists they had with them when Crowe got elected in 2002...
That may have been the case but times are changing..SF have re -charged their batteries and are in a strong position to regain this seat..
 

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To continue

SF& FG must have rubbed their collective hands with glee when they heard of Maloneys selection.
Maloney got through last nights convention purely on the votes of the Taylorites. It was pay back for Rabbitte, and Duff fell on their sword. This was nothing more than exercise to slap Rabbitte and supporters down and nothing to do with Duff or his ability to win votes. Duffs' profile is huge, this can be attributed not only from his successful stint as Mayor but from his 30+ years service as a community activist in Tallaght. From what i hear the Luddites traveled from afar to pursue their efforts to Slap Rabbitte down and thus have opened the door for SF to take what should have been Labours 2nd seat, a seat Duff would have comfortably taken otherwise!!
 

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Can I be a little silly and ask what the DSP is and how it's relevant?

He was IND in '87, didn't get elected, and was a Labour candidate since 91.
The answer to your question David is yes you can be a little silly as you have just shown.Eamon Moloney was not IND in 1987 he was a member of the DSP.Another poster has pointed out what the DSP was and i hope you will be gracious enough to admit you were wrong.Eamon stood for the dail in 1987 as a member of the DSP.Its relevance? that a very small party produced candidates of the calibre of Jim Kemmy ,Jan O Sullivan Michael Conaghan and Eamon Moloney might suggest some relevance however my original post was only to provide some background on Maloney as his selection seemed to surprise some people.
 

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I dont think anyone is seriously questioning Moloney's political antecedents or his tenure in the labour party, the question is whether or not he is the most suitable person to have been selected as a running mate for Rabbitte.

I find your comment bizarre, GusClaw; surely the most important thing is to select candidates who have a hope in hell of actually being elected..pardon my political naivety
 

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a clear case of labour simply being unable to take advantage of a rising poll.......

Duff has been around as along as tallaman and was a fianna fail stalward for many years, hes in the same mould as tallaman and would have taken him out on election day........

SF/IRA mounted a considerable ;military style' campaign in 2002 and won the seat.....it wont happen again and therefore crowe is 50/50......

HAyes will top the poll here (a ominious omen), rabitte, tallaman (unfortunately) and a right olde ready up for the fourth........

In reality, tallaman is a LABOUR candidate and gets a large percentage of Mervyns old votes......it should be noted that Labour have tried to recruit tallaman several times over the years, as did fg in 1989.........funny enough tho, they havent tried over the past few years....

prediction:...hayes, rabitte, oconnor, who knows?
 

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I dont think anyone is seriously questioning Moloney's political antecedents or his tenure in the labour party, the question is whether or not he is the most suitable person to have been selected as a running mate for Rabbitte.

I find your comment bizarre, GusClaw; surely the most important thing is to select candidates who have a hope in hell of actually being elected..pardon my political naivety
Bizarre, hardly. Yes of course the point is to select a candidate to win a seat, but the reality is that 'the party' always seeks to create a desired result and that sometimes has little to do with winning. In this case the party mangers thought they knew best, tried to engineer a certain result and the results dictated otherwise. At the end of the day Labour may well take two seats here (its a decent bet I reckon). But if 'the party' were wrong about this one, couldnt work the result they felt they needed, what else could they be wrong about.
 

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The second scenario more likely... From what hear about Tipp South, FG are going the same way.. two candidate strategy, but the sitting TD is making sure it won't be the strongest second candidate in the world.. Sean Crowe will regain a seat here
Yes, I hear FG are looking for a second candidate in Tipp South to stand with Tom Hayes. The person chosen will probably be from Clonmel. You can't leave the biggest centre of population in the constituency without a candidate. Mattie McGrath FF is probably safe, giving his campaign against the government since he was elected, and Hayes' job will be to take out Mansergh FF as he got the seat last time by less than 60 votes. Hayes is probably safe also. So it's all to play for the final seat. It's between Phil Prendergast Lab and Seamus Healy Ind. I think it'll be Prendergast as Healy's base, though in Clonmel, is quite narrow. There are Lab votes all over the constituency. Clonmel might be quite crowded with Healy, Prendergast, Siobhan Ambrose FF and the second FGer. This will probably reduce Healy's first preference.
 
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