Labour councillor "verbally abused Gardai and locked them in pub"

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Will the Vintners Federation of Ireland be giving Cllr McGarry any advice on this matter I wonder?
 

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Fortunately for Labour, they have not selected him to run in the general election, presumably over his poor support in the 2007 general election.
Or presumably because the party weren't willing to put someone who carried out such an offense forward for consideration?
 

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Also Skyrocket's OP is slightly disingenuous as the conviction was for selling liquor out of hours, and he was not found guilty of any other offense.

Judge Kilrane dismissed a charge of resisting a garda in the execution of his duties, saying he did not believe there had been criminal intent, as he did not believe the accused knew why he was being arrested.

He applied the Probation Act on a public order charge and fined him €200 for selling liquor without a current licence.
 

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Has Gilmore started training his side kicks into how to offer a pint or a transfer.
 

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This guy seems to be a complete head-the-ball.

He quit FG in 2003 or 2004, then flirted with the PDs, then joined Labour.
 

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Or presumably because the party weren't willing to put someone who carried out such an offense forward for consideration?
He was only convicted yesterday, although presumably Labour HQ would have been aware of the upcoming case. Would they have adopted a "guilty before proven innocent" approach in Labour? Surely not.

The fact that he polled so low in 2007 (only 200 votes more than a Green candidate who didn't use posters) is the main factor in my view.
 
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Also Skyrocket's OP is slightly disingenuous as the conviction was for selling liquor out of hours, and he was not found guilty of any other offense.
The thread title is not "slightly disingeuous".

McGarry acknowledged he verbally abused Gardai:

"Another garda, Thomas O’Griofa, said the accused had called him a “******************************” and had told him that he obviously liked a few pints himself judging by the size of his belly...He had later apologised to the garda for making the comment about his belly. He had felt sick and went into shock in the Garda station but prayed to the medal." Court hears publican was in shock after arrest - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 18, 2011

And it is also accepted that Gardai were locked in the pub because McGarry was fearful of what might happen if he were brought outside.
 

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Former mayor and current Labour councillor Jimmy McGarry was convicted yesterday for an incident Mooney's pub which he co-owns.
Come on guys lets be fair the guy was not convicted for the incident in the pub, please read the article in the indo: "Judge Kilrane dismissed a charge of resisting a garda in the execution of his duties, saying he did not believe there had been criminal intent, as he did not believe the accused knew why he was being arrested. He applied the Probation Act on a public order charge..."

I think it is only fair to report the news accurately regardless of the politics involved. I do accept there was a fine of €200 with regard to the licence, but obviously considering the bar is now licensed and the judged deemed it fit to impose such a small penalty there must have been a technical issue as opposed to a fragrant breach of the legislation?

I actually think this is a good result for Cllr McGarry who has been carrying this around for years... I am sure he will feel vindicated and possibly hard done by as this matter prevented him seeking the nomination this time around.
 

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You couldn't make this kind of stuff up. No wonder some media, especially in the UK, still scoff at Ireland as a priest- and superstition-ridden nation. You can't blame them when you read stories like this.:rolleyes:

What the Indo doesn't mention, but the Irish Times does Court hears publican was in shock after arrest - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 18, 2011, is that this publican flipped when he was arrested and prayed to a miraculous medal or something like that. In the year 2010 and ...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

There are times when I almost despair for Ireland, but I still cling to hope that reason will one day prevail and the people will shake off all of those piseogs and take it on board that no amount of talking to a disc of aluminium will save your arse if you're stupid enough to get caught breaking the law and then comment on a Garda's big gut.;);)
 

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The thread title is not "slightly disingeuous".

McGarry acknowledged he verbally abused Gardai
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"Another garda, Thomas O’Griofa, said the accused had called him a “******************************” and had told him that he obviously liked a few pints himself judging by the size of his belly...He had later apologised to the garda for making the comment about his belly. He had felt sick and went into shock in the Garda station but prayed to the medal." Court hears publican was in shock after arrest - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 18, 2011

And it is also accepted that Gardai were locked in the pub because McGarry was fearful of what might happen if he were brought outside.
The part I've bolded is a gross exaggeration, Skyrocket. A bit you deliberately left out from the Irish Times article

In evidence Jimmy McGarry insisted he did not use the terms alleged and remembers thinking “this is a joke. I am fecking going home.”
Without selectively taking out sections, more from the Irish Independent.

Jimmy McGarry insisted that he did not use the terms "a f***ing bastard" or "******************************".

He said he became concerned when gardai spent nine minutes interviewing his daughter and a niece in the snug.


He told his daughter not to open the door because he feared what would happen if he was taken outside, he told the court.

He later apologised to Gda O'Griofa for the comment about his belly.
I don't know what happened that night, I'm in no position to defend McGarry, but you are deliberately selecting sections for your own agenda. You are an anti-Labour troll.
 

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What the Indo doesn't mention, but the Irish Times does Court hears publican was in shock after arrest - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 18, 2011, is that this publican flipped when he was arrested and prayed to a miraculous medal or something like that. In the year 2010 and ...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

There are times when I almost despair for Ireland, but I still cling to hope that reason will one day prevail and the people will shake off all of those piseogs and take it on board that no amount of talking to a disc of aluminium will save your arse if you're stupid enough to get caught breaking the law and then comment on a Garda's big gut.;);)
Well it worked. The judge made a few remarks about how odd it was that the police couldn't find anything better to do than arrest the poor man, and let him off.

If some atheist had verbally abused the cops like that, locked them in a pub, and then resisted arrest so much that his jacket came off in their hands, he'd probably still be in jail.
 

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Don't go spoiling Skyrocket's fun now, this thread is solely about Labour :rolleyes:
How many ex PD's are there in Labour now? Slightly concerning for a Socialist party I would have thought.

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Well it worked. The judge made a few remarks about how odd it was that the police couldn't find anything better to do than arrest the poor man, and let him off.

If some atheist had verbally abused the cops like that, locked them in a pub, and then resisted arrest so much that his jacket came off in their hands, he'd probably still be in jail.
Sad, but true.

Just goes to show what a long way we still have to go to shake off the piseogs and superstition that still substitute for reason in Ireland.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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How many ex PD's are there in Labour now? Slightly concerning for a Socialist party I would have thought.

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Wee Jimmy joined the Sligo branch of the Labour Party in 2003,after being shot down by Mary Harney to guarantee him a Senate seat if he contested the 2002 GE for the Pee Dee's.Prior to this Wee Jimmy was a long serving former Blueshirt Mayor of Sligo and a County Councillor for nearly twenty years,notorious for his right wing views.He was headhunted by Labour HQ in 2003(with a view of becoming the next Sligo/Leitrim)TD,and warmly welcomed into Labour by then party leader Pat Rabbitte at a reception in Leinster House.His entry into the party resulted in a massive split locally.Former TD Declan Bree and his supporters left,and whatever about the Pee Dee's the Sligo/NorthLeitrim Labour party is now firmly in the control of longstanding ex"Stickies".
 

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Former mayor and current Labour councillor Jimmy McGarry was convicted yesterday for an incident Mooney's pub which he co-owns.

Full story here: Gardai were locked into bar after arresting publican - Courts, National News - Independent.ie

Irish Times article more detailed: Court hears publican was in shock after arrest - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 18, 2011

Fortunately for Labour, they have not selected him to run in the general election, presumably over his poor support in the 2007 general election.
A reliable source of ascertaining the factums is by section 84 of the criminal justice act, which they can not provide or defended rather than absconded and leave it for the reliable people to defend having misguided the central processing office with the pub statements.petunia
 


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