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Labour damaged by too much focus on liberal social agenda?


Skyrocket

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Are Labour being damaged by focusing too much on issues such as gay marriage and abortion rights while the people's main concerns are related to jobs and the economy?

Senior Labour party figures think so. Last weekend's Sunday Independent quoted a statement from rebel party Chairman Colm Keveney who took issue with the importance Gilmore attached to gay marriage:

Mr Keaveney cited Mr Gilmore's description of equal marriage rights as the "civil rights issue of our generation".
But he said: "These are not the issues that are leaving many families and individuals worrying over how to pay their bills and to retain the ability to raise their children with dignity.

"Unfinished estates and the fairness and objectivity of the new property tax and the failure to adequately address both will become an issue that will haunt both government parties," he wrote.
The Sunday Indpendent also quoted a "senior party figure" who was dissatisfied with Gilmore's focus on gay marriage and abortion:

"This is f***ing amateur hour," said another. "Every guard and nurse is spitting fire at us and our man is going on about gay marriage and Savita."
Coalition under threat over Phil Hogan 'macho, reckless' actions - Independent.ie

Those gripes may seem to be justified by today's dismal performance of Cllr. Eoin Holmes in the Meath-east by-election. He made gay marriage a key aspect of his campaign by teaming up with Ivana Bacik to release her "marriage equality" bill as part of a campaign stunt to drum up support. There was no such stunt to unveil a new policy related to jobs or the economy.


Let them eat cake as we drink champagne:
An obviously tone-deaf photoshoot after Bacik and
Holmes unveiled a "marriage equality" bill.
 


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Are Labour being damaged by focusing too much on issues such as gay marriage and abortion rights while the people's main concerns are related to jobs and the economy?

Senior Labour party figures think so. Last weekend's Sunday Independent quoted a statement from rebel party Chairman Colm Keveney who took issue with the importance Gilmore attached to gay marriage:



The Sunday Indpendent also quoted a "senior party figure" who was dissatisfied with Gilmore's focus on gay marriage and abortion:



Coalition under threat over Phil Hogan 'macho, reckless' actions - Independent.ie

Those gripes may seem to be justified by today's dismal performance of Cllr. Eoin Holmes in the Meath-east by-election. He made gay marriage a key aspect of his campaign by teaming up with Ivana Bacik to release her "marriage equality" bill as part of a campaign stunt to drum up support. There was no such stunt to unveil a new policy related to jobs or the economy.


Let them eat cake as we drink champagne:
An obviously tone-deaf photoshoot after Bacik and
Holmes unveiled a "marriage equality" bill.
Social conservatives want you to think that this is a stinging rebuke of Labour's liberal agenda. It was really payback for broken promises and a broken economy. Holmes grabbed onto social issues because he had nothing else to go on.
 

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It isn't that labour don't have a valid agenda here

It is just that (a) they don't have a mandate for that at the present
And (b) there efforts to manufacture one via spin their influence in rte to set Agendas and ruthless attempt to exploit Savitas death to that end are a sickening indictment of cynical stickie manipulation

Stickies have done to labour what Haughey did to FF
 

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That comment about 'Gay Marriage being the civil rights issue of our generation' was offensive to people with real problems. Even the communists have more cop on than Gilmore

Communist Party of Ireland
 

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Social conservatives want you to think that this is a stinging rebuke of Labour's liberal agenda. It was really payback for broken promises and a broken economy. Holmes grabbed onto social issues because he had nothing else to go on.
The reason you are wrong is that FG broke promises too

but FG won the seat

QED
 

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Are Labour being damaged by focusing too much on issues such as gay marriage and abortion rights while the people's main concerns are related to jobs and the economy?

Senior Labour party figures think so. Last weekend's Sunday Independent quoted a statement from rebel party Chairman Colm Keveney who took issue with the importance Gilmore attached to gay marriage:



The Sunday Indpendent also quoted a "senior party figure" who was dissatisfied with Gilmore's focus on gay marriage and abortion:



Coalition under threat over Phil Hogan 'macho, reckless' actions - Independent.ie

Those gripes may seem to be justified by today's dismal performance of Cllr. Eoin Holmes in the Meath-east by-election. He made gay marriage a key aspect of his campaign by teaming up with Ivana Bacik to release her "marriage equality" bill as part of a campaign stunt to drum up support. There was no such stunt to unveil a new policy related to jobs or the economy.


Let them eat cake as we drink champagne:
An obviously tone-deaf photoshoot after Bacik and
Holmes unveiled a "marriage equality" bill.
Labour damaged by not honoring their election promises, simple as!
 

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Are Labour being damaged by focusing too much on issues such as gay marriage and abortion rights while the people's main concerns are related to jobs and the economy?

Senior Labour party figures think so. Last weekend's Sunday Independent quoted a statement from rebel party Chairman Colm Keveney who took issue with the importance Gilmore attached to gay marriage:



The Sunday Indpendent also quoted a "senior party figure" who was dissatisfied with Gilmore's focus on gay marriage and abortion:



Coalition under threat over Phil Hogan 'macho, reckless' actions - Independent.ie

Those gripes may seem to be justified by today's dismal performance of Cllr. Eoin Holmes in the Meath-east by-election. He made gay marriage a key aspect of his campaign by teaming up with Ivana Bacik to release her "marriage equality" bill as part of a campaign stunt to drum up support. There was no such stunt to unveil a new policy related to jobs or the economy.


Let them eat cake as we drink champagne:
An obviously tone-deaf photoshoot after Bacik and
Holmes unveiled a "marriage equality" bill.

Photo just said it all

Sometimes I think Ivana is a secret agent working for the Iona Institute

she makes them look reasonable
 

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So we ignore anything that isn't already common talk? Presumably we should also ignore water supply, pollution, climate change, the ageing population or anything else coming down the line to focus on bread and circuses. Young people in care? Prisoners? Mentally ill? No votes in that either, just try and get some Yanks in to set up a tax fiddle.
 

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So we ignore anything that isn't already common talk? Presumably we should also ignore water supply, pollution, climate change, the ageing population or anything else coming down the line to focus on bread and circuses. Young people in care? Prisoners? Mentally ill? No votes in that either, just try and get some Yanks in to set up a tax fiddle.
Huh?
 

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Are Labour being damaged by focusing too much on issues such as gay marriage and abortion rights while the people's main concerns are related to jobs and the economy?

Senior Labour party figures think so. Last weekend's Sunday Independent quoted a statement from rebel party Chairman Colm Keveney who took issue with the importance Gilmore attached to gay marriage:



The Sunday Indpendent also quoted a "senior party figure" who was dissatisfied with Gilmore's focus on gay marriage and abortion:



Coalition under threat over Phil Hogan 'macho, reckless' actions - Independent.ie

Those gripes may seem to be justified by today's dismal performance of Cllr. Eoin Holmes in the Meath-east by-election. He made gay marriage a key aspect of his campaign by teaming up with Ivana Bacik to release her "marriage equality" bill as part of a campaign stunt to drum up support. There was no such stunt to unveil a new policy related to jobs or the economy.


Let them eat cake as we drink champagne:
An obviously tone-deaf photoshoot after Bacik and
Holmes unveiled a "marriage equality" bill.
They're both clearly drinking water ffs. They're not even champagne glasses.

Muppet
 

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their social agenda is fine
In relation to gay marriage based on opinion polls they have the support of the country
 

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No the problem is the people.

The Looper Party is faultless.

But the electorate are completely inadequate.
 

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They're both clearly drinking water ffs. They're not even champagne glasses.
A real Champagne Socialist knows his champagne glasses.
 

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The way people decide to cast their vote in a by-elections is often completely different to how they might vote in a General Election, in all likelihood many Labour voted FG yesterday to ensure that the coalition retained the seat. Government parties generally don't do well in midterm by-elections so Helen McEntee retaining the seat held by her late father is an extremely good result for the Government.
 

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their social agenda is fine
In relation to gay marriage based on opinion polls they have the support of the country
A lot of people might vaguely support gay marriage. That doesn't mean it's a vital issue for people.
 

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I know it doesn't play into the hands of the wing nuts who see 'agenda's' everywhere yet can never seem to provide proof of said agenda's but, I'd hazard a guess that Labour were deserted by the FF voters who had voted Labour in the last GE fearing a FG government and all the austerity that that may have carried with it yet to their surprise Labour were quiet happy to implement the troika demands.
 

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The way people decide to cast their vote in a by-elections is often completely different to how they might vote in a General Election, in all likelihood many Labour voted FG yesterday to ensure that the coalition retained the seat. Government parties generally don't do well in midterm by-elections so Helen McEntee retaining the seat held by her late father is an extremely good result for the Government.

A c'mon the Irish Tay party wing nuts here want to see this as some sort of right wing backlash. Such reasonable analysis isn't wanted in this thread.

;)
 

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Are Labour being damaged by focusing too much on issues such as gay marriage and abortion rights while the people's main concerns are related to jobs and the economy?

Senior Labour party figures think so. Last weekend's Sunday Independent quoted a statement from rebel party Chairman Colm Keveney who took issue with the importance Gilmore attached to gay marriage:



The Sunday Indpendent also quoted a "senior party figure" who was dissatisfied with Gilmore's focus on gay marriage and abortion:



Coalition under threat over Phil Hogan 'macho, reckless' actions - Independent.ie

Those gripes may seem to be justified by today's dismal performance of Cllr. Eoin Holmes in the Meath-east by-election. He made gay marriage a key aspect of his campaign by teaming up with Ivana Bacik to release her "marriage equality" bill as part of a campaign stunt to drum up support. There was no such stunt to unveil a new policy related to jobs or the economy.


Let them eat cake as we drink champagne:
An obviously tone-deaf photoshoot after Bacik and
Holmes unveiled a "marriage equality" bill.
Well it is an interesting way to put things but essentially yes, Labour are getting their just reward for bending over for Fine Gael.
 

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