Labour in Sligo - 1992 to 2007 - what happened?

Casualbets

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Below are a series of maps showing the decline of the Labour vote between 1992 and 2007 in Sligo/Leitrim - while an outsider (ie me) would jump to the conclusion that the rise of Sinn Fein was the main factor in the eclipse of Labour in the constituency, perhaps someone more knowledgeable can provide a deeper analysis?

NB Bree was the Labour candidate in 1992, 1997 and 2002 - McGarry in 2007...




 


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This might be the easiest explained of the lot. You see, Bree first was elected in 1974 to the Council and Corporation, and ran in all the General elections (including 1981 notoriously) though he only managed 1000-1200 votes. MacSharry reigned supreme, although a slippage to Bree and Mattie Brennan almost cost him spectacularly in 1982, and Nealon kept FG in a strongish position. When Mac went to Brussels there were a lot of votes to play for, and FF was divided locally. 1989 saw Bree increase his vote massively, doubling it over SO-LM, becoming the leading vote-getter in the town, and both FF and FG suffered, Bree went to the last count but was too far adrift to win. In all this time Labour were an irrelevance, Tommy Higgins held seats on both bodies but that never came to anything in the GE's. In 1991 moves were made to bring Bree's organisation into the Labour fold, and this happened in 1992. It worked out well for both - Labour got the organisation and Bree got the Labour banner, which in 1992 was valuable, and it propelled him to a huge vote across Sligo. The southern area had an Independent candidate who took a lot of votes, so that's why he did little there.

By 1997 Labour's star had waned and so did Bree's. He still did reasonably well, though his vote fell around the county and notably in the town, but a strong FG performance saw them see him off to regain their second seat. 2002 and Harkin was the star turn, with the Shinners confident of making a breakthrough. The former cleaned up, MacManus made more strides but not enough, and Bree was squeezed. What happened in Labour since is well documented on here previously, McGarry defected from FG, Bree wasn't happy, and the party fell asunder. The result was the pitiful vote in 2007. Bree is East Ward-based, so that's why the red spot in the town stayed to 2002. Inevitably it wasn't there last time, and McGarry ended up polling less in the LEA than he did in 2004!

And it won't change anytime soon.
 

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Bree and McGarry(much more so) are useless f*ckers and Labour has imploded nationally as a result of being wedded to FG for too long.

The Labour Leadership have absolutely nothing in common with the working class and haven't had for a long time.

Sligo/Leitrim is a FF/FG stronghold and has been for years. Whats left over is divvied up between SF, Labour and independents. The Left wing vote is not dependable here and fluctuates.

Any constituency that can vote for an absolute gobshite like Marian Harkin in such numbers shows the difficulty that principled politics has in making a break through here. Clientelism is the order of the day and even old die hard commies like Bree sold out years ago just to stay alive politically.

It says a lot about Labour though that a FG councillor can join with relative ease. In fact I believe a PD defected to labour not so long ago?

Tells you all you need to know about Labour really.

It was hoped that maybe Bree might return to the Left after he split but his continued commitment to the Mayoral pact dashed those hopes. I suppose he cant be blamed. Hes a bit long in the tooth and his career is in twilight. Hes still active on issues locally though which is a credit to him.

McGarrys a waster and Sinn Fein have no-one of note.

Cake joined the Greens but McDaids droolings on local radio blindly supporting and defending Harneys Cancer strategy will probably hurt him.

The reality is that Sligo has nobody on the left to vote for. Nobody worth voting for at any rate.
 

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Sligoboy said:
Bree and McGarry(much more so) are useless f*ckers and Labour has imploded nationally as a result of being wedded to FG for too long.

The Labour Leadership have absolutely nothing in common with the working class and haven't had for a long time.

Sligo/Leitrim is a FF/FG stronghold and has been for years. Whats left over is divvied up between SF, Labour and independents. The Left wing vote is not dependable here and fluctuates.

Any constituency that can vote for an absolute gobshite like Marian Harkin in such numbers shows the difficulty that principled politics has in making a break through here. Clientelism is the order of the day and even old die hard commies like Bree sold out years ago just to stay alive politically.

It says a lot about Labour though that a FG councillor can join with relative ease. In fact I believe a PD defected to labour not so long ago?

Tells you all you need to know about Labour really.

It was hoped that maybe Bree might return to the Left after he split but his continued commitment to the Mayoral pact dashed those hopes. I suppose he cant be blamed. Hes a bit long in the tooth and his career is in twilight. Hes still active on issues locally though which is a credit to him.

McGarrys a waster and Sinn Fein have no-one of note.

Cake joined the Greens but McDaids droolings on local radio blindly supporting and defending Harneys Cancer strategy will probably hurt him.

The reality is that Sligo has nobody on the left to vote for. Nobody worth voting for at any rate.
Who is Cake? I have not heard of him.

You are right about McGarry, a total tw@t. Has he appeared in court yet?
 

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essexboy said:
Sligoboy said:
Bree and McGarry(much more so) are useless f*ckers and Labour has imploded nationally as a result of being wedded to FG for too long.

The Labour Leadership have absolutely nothing in common with the working class and haven't had for a long time.

Sligo/Leitrim is a FF/FG stronghold and has been for years. Whats left over is divvied up between SF, Labour and independents. The Left wing vote is not dependable here and fluctuates.

Any constituency that can vote for an absolute gobshite like Marian Harkin in such numbers shows the difficulty that principled politics has in making a break through here. Clientelism is the order of the day and even old die hard commies like Bree sold out years ago just to stay alive politically.

It says a lot about Labour though that a FG councillor can join with relative ease. In fact I believe a PD defected to labour not so long ago?

Tells you all you need to know about Labour really.

It was hoped that maybe Bree might return to the Left after he split but his continued commitment to the Mayoral pact dashed those hopes. I suppose he cant be blamed. Hes a bit long in the tooth and his career is in twilight. Hes still active on issues locally though which is a credit to him.

McGarrys a waster and Sinn Fein have no-one of note.

Cake joined the Greens but McDaids droolings on local radio blindly supporting and defending Harneys Cancer strategy will probably hurt him.

The reality is that Sligo has nobody on the left to vote for. Nobody worth voting for at any rate.
Who is Cake? I have not heard of him.

You are right about McGarry, a total tw@t. Has he appeared in court yet?
Brian Scanlon. He left Labour disgusted at Mcgarrys admission into the party.

His vote collapsed because of personal issues but hes back now trying to regain his council seat. He had a reasonable chance too on the Green ticket but McDaid did him enormous damage with his rants on Ocean defending Harneys Health initiatives.
 

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Sligoboy is rather abusive about Declan Bree and Marian Harkin. While I would not agree with Declan Brees politics, and am not a supporter of Marian Harkin, I suggest we should be at least courteous to all who are involved in public life at any level. Criticise their policies, certainly, but hold the abuse.
 

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Sligoboy said:
Bree and McGarry(much more so) are useless f*ckers and Labour has imploded nationally as a result of being wedded to FG for too long.
Labour rain on an alliance with FG in 1997, and polled 10.4% nationally. They ran on an independent strategy in 2002, and polled 10.8%. They they ran on an alliance with FG in 2007, and polled 10.8% again. So you're wrong there.




Any constituency that can vote for an absolute gobshite like Marian Harkin in such numbers shows the difficulty that principled politics has in making a break through here.
That's certainly true.
 
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Sligoboy said:
Bree and McGarry(much more so) are useless f*ckers and Labour has imploded nationally as a result of being wedded to FG for too long.

The Labour Leadership have absolutely nothing in common with the working class and haven't had for a long time.

Sligo/Leitrim is a FF/FG stronghold and has been for years. Whats left over is divvied up between SF, Labour and independents. The Left wing vote is not dependable here and fluctuates.

Any constituency that can vote for an absolute gobshite like Marian Harkin in such numbers shows the difficulty that principled politics has in making a break through here. Clientelism is the order of the day and even old die hard commies like Bree sold out years ago just to stay alive politically.

It says a lot about Labour though that a FG councillor can join with relative ease. In fact I believe a PD defected to labour not so long ago?

Tells you all you need to know about Labour really.

It was hoped that maybe Bree might return to the Left after he split but his continued commitment to the Mayoral pact dashed those hopes. I suppose he cant be blamed. Hes a bit long in the tooth and his career is in twilight. Hes still active on issues locally though which is a credit to him.

McGarrys a waster and Sinn Fein have no-one of note.

Cake joined the Greens but McDaids droolings on local radio blindly supporting and defending Harneys Cancer strategy will probably hurt him.

The reality is that Sligo has nobody on the left to vote for. Nobody worth voting for at any rate.
What a load of shite.
Bree is one of the most able bodied politicians in Ireland and the best in SLigo by a country mile.
Any man who gets elected in his early 20s is not your average joe soap.
If you knew the man you would know hes the most educated and professional of all of what Sligo has to offer.
Bree hasnt sold out on anything, hes still a committed Socialist with a good support base in Cranmore.

As for Mc Garry?
A disgrace to Sligo and Labour.
Hes a crook.

Brian Scanlon is one of the most decent men you will meet.
Hopefully he will be able to rebuild his support base that he had in The Hill.
 

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That is totally correct. Bree is by far the most educated and able politician sligo has to offer. He has a good base in the working class areas of sligo and is constantly invovled in local issues that affect the working people in sligo.

As far as PSF goes, Gibbons is a decent guy, quite able on the local issues.

I fail to see your roblem with Harkin, i disagree with her politically and some of the things she said in the run up to lisbon were desperate but she is of the decent sort and im not sure what your gripe is with her?

Agree on mcgarry, he's a gangster and it says everything about labour that he was allowed into their ranks.

'cake' is a good lad too, cant see him in the greens for much longer but time shall tell.

As far as the FG and FF candidates go,the less said the better
 

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First of all, seeing as nobody else has done so, well done Casualbets for doing up the maps and posting them. Guys like you and Ciaran Quinn must put a lot of work into this sort of thing.
Cashel Hill’s analysis is probably the most accurate. Sligoboy tends to loose the plot when Bree’s name is mentioned; he must have stopped taking the tablets again!
Red Revolutionary’s assertion that “ Bree hasn’t sold out on anything, he’s still a committed Socialist with a good support base in Cranmore” is a valid one albeit he ( Bree ) will find it hard to rebuild his core support in time for next years locals.
RSYM’s comment that “ As far as PSF goes, Gibbons is a decent guy, quite able on the local issues “ this is a telling one as currently PSF is run like a mini fiefdom in SNL with the McManus’s stifling any potential competition like side-lining Des Skeffington after his first run out in Drumcliff in 2004 locals.
Labour have only themselves to blame for their woes. They rode the crest of the Spring Tide in ’92 and as the saying goes, it’s only when the tide goes out that you see who has been swimming naked. Labour flapped around for a few years after that and had limited success in the locals in 2004 getting Veronica Cawley elected at Cakes expense but Labour steadily lost ground to SF and Marian Harkin in the 2002 GE. Last year’s GE was the final straw by allowing McGarry run, any self respecting Labour voter abandoned the party and decided to give the FF lads a stroke seeing as the good times were promised to keep on rolling. Bet they're sorry now.
Labour has imploded in SNL, the organisation split and even those not too friendly with Bree thought Rabbitte’s contempt for them was enough and left the organisation altogether.
They have started to try and build from the bottom up with guys like Alwyn Love as new blood with no baggage in next years locals, and given the current economic climate we are facing and anti-government backlash that will be expected, they are bound to make some progress but not enough to have any serious effect on any forthcoming GE result, which could be sooner rather than later!
 

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RetiredProvo said:
First of all, seeing as nobody else has done so, well done Casualbets for doing up the maps and posting them. Guys like you and Ciaran Quinn must put a lot of work into this sort of thing.
Seconded, they make very interesting reading.

RetiredProvo said:
RSYM’s comment that “ As far as PSF goes, Gibbons is a decent guy, quite able on the local issues “ this is a telling one as currently PSF is run like a mini fiefdom in SNL with the McManus’s stifling any potential competition like side-lining Des Skeffington after his first run out in Drumcliff in 2004 locals.
Out of interest, in what way was Skeffington sidelined after the '04 locals. I thought he was going to be running again in the same area in the next locals.
 

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I agree the party is Divided
On one side you have McGarry and a couple of his cronies that he paid for to become members
and on the other side a group that wants to lead the party into the real world of 2008

This has been made all the easier by the removal of the breeites all who are stuck in the dark ages

All it will take for the party to progress is the conviction of mcgarry on any one of his two assult charges.
 

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While Bree is a hard working councillor, His failure to evolve his ideas into the present day has cost him.
Just like the McManus SF, locally Bree believed that the labour party was his and didnt want any input or interferiance from anyone.
The introduction of McGarry was seen as a threat by Bree, while it was seen as a necessary evil by most of the members.
The days of one indivudal controlling local political groups is gone. Surely this is something Bree should appreciate, a situation where the grass roots are in control.
 

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Red Revolutionary said:
Bree is one of the most able bodied politicians in Ireland and the best in SLigo by a country mile.
Any man who gets elected in his early 20s is not your average joe soap.
If you knew the man you would know hes the most educated and professional of all of what Sligo has to offer.
Bree hasnt sold out on anything, hes still a committed Socialist with a good support base in Cranmore.

As for Mc Garry?
A disgrace to Sligo and Labour.
Hes a crook.

Brian Scanlon is one of the most decent men you will meet.
Hopefully he will be able to rebuild his support base that he had in The Hill.
Things must look pretty rosy over there in Grozny, but here in Sligo reality looks somewhat different.

Bree sold out years ago in the Dail, he voted for FF and Fg taoisigh and he voted for water charges.

The recent book of estimates went through unopposed in Sligo. That includes the Bin Charge.

Committed socialist my arse. You're a dupe if you think Bree is a socialist.

As for Brees education.... do you even know the man?
 

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Sligoboy said:
Red Revolutionary said:
Bree is one of the most able bodied politicians in Ireland and the best in SLigo by a country mile.
Any man who gets elected in his early 20s is not your average joe soap.
If you knew the man you would know hes the most educated and professional of all of what Sligo has to offer.
Bree hasnt sold out on anything, hes still a committed Socialist with a good support base in Cranmore.

As for Mc Garry?
A disgrace to Sligo and Labour.
Hes a crook.

Brian Scanlon is one of the most decent men you will meet.
Hopefully he will be able to rebuild his support base that he had in The Hill.
Things must look pretty rosy over there in Grozny, but here in Sligo reality looks somewhat different.

Bree sold out years ago in the Dail, he voted for FF and Fg taoisigh and he voted for water charges.

The recent book of estimates went through unopposed in Sligo. That includes the Bin Charge.

Committed socialist my arse. You're a dupe if you think Bree is a socialist.

As for Brees education.... do you even know the man?
AsKarl Marx said of John Stuart Mill, his "eminence is due to the flatness of the surrounding country."
 

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essexboy said:
Sligoboy said:
Red Revolutionary said:
Bree is one of the most able bodied politicians in Ireland and the best in SLigo by a country mile.
Any man who gets elected in his early 20s is not your average joe soap.
If you knew the man you would know hes the most educated and professional of all of what Sligo has to offer.
Bree hasnt sold out on anything, hes still a committed Socialist with a good support base in Cranmore.

As for Mc Garry?
A disgrace to Sligo and Labour.
Hes a crook.

Brian Scanlon is one of the most decent men you will meet.
Hopefully he will be able to rebuild his support base that he had in The Hill.
Things must look pretty rosy over there in Grozny, but here in Sligo reality looks somewhat different.

Bree sold out years ago in the Dail, he voted for FF and Fg taoisigh and he voted for water charges.

The recent book of estimates went through unopposed in Sligo. That includes the Bin Charge.

Committed socialist my arse. You're a dupe if you think Bree is a socialist.

As for Brees education.... do you even know the man?
AsKarl Marx said of John Stuart Mill, his "eminence is due to the flatness of the surrounding country."
Yip, best of a bad lot.
 

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Amazing how Rabette managed to make a monumental double mistake


Firstly to shaft the most likely person to get elected in Sligo even on a slightly left ticket


and then not having the gumsion to replace him and his organisation with anything

that might be considered credible.
 

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What is a true socialist ? the only socalist l know would be Gibbons hes the only councillor who refuses the expenses for junkets and puts that money back into the community . What other polition that claims to be a socialist has ever done this .
 


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