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Labour party Dog Whistling


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In politics, the term dog whistling - referring to a high-pitch whistle outside the audible range of humans - means using code words to send a message to a specific group, without offending a larger group who would find the message unacceptable, if they understood it.

Senior Bush strategist Lee Atwater spoke about how he coached Bush to appeal to poor white racists without appearing to be racist himself:

You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N1gger, n1gger, n1gger.' By 1968 you can't say 'n1gger' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites ... saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N1gger, n1gger'.
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Listening to Ruairi Quinn this morning it was clear that he was deeply reluctant to say what he actually planned in government. It was put to him that the Labour bump in the polls was due to PS workers switching from FF to Labour, he said that PS workers were very strong FF supporters in the past. When it was put to him that they were switching support to Labour now, he repeatedly insisted that there was 'no evidence' of that. Unusual of politicians to minimise their political gains.

This was tied in with a discussion of the Croke Park agreement. Quinn refused to comment on whether he supported it or not, but got in dig after dig about the deal not being implemented. Today Fine Gael have specified a 3-to-1 ratio of cuts to tax increases. Quinn was questioned on this, and again he refused to have an opinion on it, or to suggest an alternative.

It seems clear to me that the Labour Party are dog whistling to their new support base, sending a signal that they will veto reforms in the PS, and hoping that the rest of the population won't notice. The real question is who are they misleading?
 


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It seems that the jury is still out on this one, or does anyone care who takes over from FF.
At the end of the day even FF supporters won't back FF next time round, fact of the matter is they have been to long in power and become a pain in the ass Party....

As regards Labour they don't actually have to tell anyone what there going to promise, because everyone knows we're all going to have to take our pain, that we don't mind. The problem is FF hid all the facts about the wasted money and the people who abused the trust of the electorate..
the train is nearing the Station and FF will have no option but to get off at the next stop and thats official....
 

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In fairness, Labour are the political wing of the trade union movement so it's not going to shock anyone to see them in Govt protect the largest vested interest group in the State. It's like saying Sinn Fein will support the IRA.
 

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I agree that there will be no shock to the Political world with a coalition of Lab and FG, I think it would be better for Gilmore to be Taoiseach for starters. That of course depends on the seating arrangement in the Dial. However, as I said we can all manage a bit of pain, FF need a one way ticket to hell and live there in misery instead of us putting up with their out of date Politics... It won't be long now!
 

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The silence of the Labour party on specific policies will be their downfall, Irish people will no longer buy a pig in the bag.Get the facts out and then we can make up our minds , left or right or a mishmass of both.
 

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Sunday Business Post Red C Poll;
Fianna Fail 18% (Down 6%)
Fine Gael 32% (Up 1%)
Labour 27% ( up 4%)
Sinn Fein 9% ( up 1%)
Green Party 4% ( up 1%)
Independents 10% ( up 1%)

This is what the silence does for a party who shuts up and carry's on working for the people, up 4% to 27% nice one. Eamon your on target for Taoiseach.....
 

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Listening to Ruairi Quinn this morning it was clear that he was deeply reluctant to say what he actually planned in government. It was put to him that the Labour bump in the polls was due to PS workers switching from FF to Labour, he said that PS workers were very strong FF supporters in the past. When it was put to him that they were switching support to Labour now, he repeatedly insisted that there was 'no evidence' of that. Unusual of politicians to minimise their political gains.
It would seem more likely that he was saying that there's no evidence that the gains are from PS workers. Unless the polling companies record the occupation of those polled then he's obviously correct.

This was tied in with a discussion of the Croke Park agreement. Quinn refused to comment on whether he supported it or not, but got in dig after dig about the deal not being implemented. Today Fine Gael have specified a 3-to-1 ratio of cuts to tax increases. Quinn was questioned on this, and again he refused to have an opinion on it, or to suggest an alternative.

It seems clear to me that the Labour Party are dog whistling to their new support base, sending a signal that they will veto reforms in the PS, and hoping that the rest of the population won't notice. The real question is who are they misleading?
So you reckon that Lab who didn't support PS workers over the pension levy, who didn't support the PS workers over the pay cut and who attacked PS workers for taking IA are actually somehow secretly supporting PS workers?
 

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Ah, yes, the dreaded unions. The people who gave us the weekend and an annual holiday.
And benchmarking. And jobs for life unaccountability. And defined benefit pensions they don't fully contribute to. And. And.
 

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And benchmarking.
To try to catch up with private sector pay.

And jobs for life unaccountability.
Which don't exist

And defined benefit pensions they don't fully contribute to. And. And.
Pensions that, like their pay, can be any amount the minister decides and cost whatever he decides but which they have to buy regardless of whether they make no economic sense?
 

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To try to catch up with private sector pay.
Who they have now overtaken by 26% according to the ESRI


Which don't exist
Tell that to the Labour Court who found that they do. (Let's not have this dance again).

Pensions that, like their pay, can be any amount the minister decides and cost whatever he decides but which they have to buy regardless of whether they make no economic sense?
And yet they're pensions that have always made sense, they don't pay the full economic value into and are unavailable to private sector workers.
 

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In fairness, Labour are the political wing of the trade union movement so it's not going to shock anyone to see them in Govt protect the largest vested interest group in the State. It's like saying Sinn Fein will support the IRA.
In reality that's a non-argument, as all parties are political wings of some vested interest, whether it's FF/FG/SF/LAB/GP. Considering the job of work ahead, there will have to be massive changes within the PS regardless.
 
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The silence of the Labour party on specific policies will be their downfall, Irish people will no longer buy a pig in the bag.Get the facts out and then we can make up our minds , left or right or a mishmass of both.
It's very kind of you to be so concerned about the Labour Party. I mean, look what happened the last three times when the Irish people bought a pig in a poke, sorry, bag. We're still celebrating.:cry::cry::cry:
 

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I have been outed. :(
here's another blast of the ole holy laud to cleans this thread:

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy towards us. And after this our exile, show unto us the blessed Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary. Pray for us, o Holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ. Amen.
 

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here's another blast of the ole holy laud to cleans this thread:

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy towards us. And after this our exile, show unto us the blessed Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary. Pray for us, o Holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ. Amen.

Is there a full moon tonight ?
 

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