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Labour Party members meet to call for policy changes


borntorum

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The ante has been upped again, although some of the names would suggest that the usual suspects are involved

More than 60 members of the Labour Party have met in Dublin this morning to pressure the party leadership to implement more Labour policies in Government.
Paul Dillon, spokesperson for the Campaign for Labour Policies, said the party has to stand up to Fine Gael to tax the wealthy.
He said the Meath East by-election has sent the party a clear message that Labour should not continue to back austerity measures.
How much longer can Gilmore hold on? There definitely appears to be momentum growing against the current coalition within Labour.

Group of Labour members calls for policy change - RTÉ News
 


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Labour still have 60 members? :shock2:
 

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I wouldnt mind the group of 60 - their views are already well known

The fact that people such as Prendergast and Whelan who are hardly of the traditional hard left are openly questioning the direction (and in Prendergasts case the leadership) of the Party is significant.

Also the SINDO reported last week that a Labour Minister of State stated that he had also lost confidence in the leader

Not looking good for Gilmore - word is that he can rely on no more than 3 or 4 backbenchers to publically back him at present

Obviously all ministers will publically back him as their positions would otherwise be untenable
 

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I'm curious as to what Lab think they can do here.

1. They change leader. This leader is further left.

2. This new left leadership pressures FG to do.....something? Increase taxes in order to fund SW and teacher/nurse pay let's say.

3. FG, content in their steady poll position tell them to do one.

4. Lab do........what? Drop out, force a GE and get decimated in the polls? Say they'll go in with FF/SF coalition? Stand on the outside supporting no one?

So what's the play here? They swap the leadership and then what?
 

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I'm curious as to what Lab think they can do here.

1. They change leader. This leader is further left.

2. This new left leadership pressures FG to do.....something? Increase taxes in order to fund SW and teacher/nurse pay let's say.

3. FG, content in their steady poll position tell them to do one.

4. Lab do........what? Drop out, force a GE and get decimated in the polls? Say they'll go in with FF/SF coalition? Stand on the outside supporting no one?

So what's the play here? They swap the leadership and then what?
Thats how I read it too. Lab has very little room for manoeuvre here. FG don't particularly want an election now, but it would be catastrophic for Labour.

To be honest, there's always been an element in Lab that's more comfortable with opposition, and that rump was always going to be joined by a larger number who would be uncomfortable with governing in a recession. I think a fair amount of the current belly aching is them letting off steam
 

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Ah come on Labour members take the fight to Gilmore and demand a general election, They'll be down to less than 20 seats after the next election.

I don't believe they'd get less than 10 seats in a GE as they do have some genuine hardcore support.
 

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I'm curious as to what Lab think they can do here.

1. They change leader. This leader is further left.

2. This new left leadership pressures FG to do.....something? Increase taxes in order to fund SW and teacher/nurse pay let's say.

3. FG, content in their steady poll position tell them to do one.

4. Lab do........what? Drop out, force a GE and get decimated in the polls? Say they'll go in with FF/SF coalition? Stand on the outside supporting no one?

So what's the play here? They swap the leadership and then what?
Or stay in government and do nothing, lose most of their councilors in the next local elections and then maybe have less than 2 or 3 TDs come next general election.

They cannot do nothing because if they do nothing they will be gone for good soon.
 

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Ah come on Labour members take the fight to Gilmore and demand a general election, They'll be down to less than 20 seats after the next election.

I don't believe they'd get less than 10 seats in a GE as they do have some genuine hardcore support.
4.5 % will get them next to no seats.
 

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I'm curious as to what Lab think they can do here.

1. They change leader. This leader is further left.

2. This new left leadership pressures FG to do.....something? Increase taxes in order to fund SW and teacher/nurse pay let's say.

3. FG, content in their steady poll position tell them to do one.

4. Lab do........what? Drop out, force a GE and get decimated in the polls? Say they'll go in with FF/SF coalition? Stand on the outside supporting no one?

So what's the play here? They swap the leadership and then what?
Bingo. You're right on the button. But try telling that to genius characters like Childers and that leering weirdo Colm Keaveney.

I find it completely hilarious that these people think they can change the direction of the Labour Party (let alone the government) from outside the Labour Party.
 

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4.5 % will get them next to no seats.
Well actually, in 2007 they got 4.5% in Meath and got 20 seats nationally. You have to compare like with like. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Labour will get 4.5% in a general election.
 

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The biggest cheer leaders for Labour policies at the moment seem to be ex stickies and FG supporters, they seem to like Labour just the way they are.

That should show Labour people what they need to do.
 

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Gilmore should take a stand against the people attending this meeting, and have them purged from the party.

Either Childers, Nulty, and the other nuts are in Labour, or they're out. Time to decide.
 

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4.5 % will get them next to no seats.
There's no basis to believe they'll get 4.5 in a national poll. The choice seems to be: A: Stay in govt and hope the economy picks up and that a couple of nice extras over the next 2 budgets gets them to around the 15% mark in 2016 or B: Pull out, force an election and get destroyed.
 

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Well actually, in 2007 they got 4.5% in Meath and got 20 seats nationally. You have to compare like with like. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Labour will get 4.5% in a general election.
in 2007 they got 11.9% in Meath East.
 

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The biggest cheer leaders for Labour policies at the moment seem to be ex stickies and FG supporters, they seem to like Labour just the way they are.

That should show Labour people what they need to do.
It's certainly noticeable that the loudest supporters of Gilmore currently are FG supporters.

Funnily enough, they weren't so positive when the Labour "Gilmore for Taoiseach" campaign was in full swing :)
 

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Gilmore should take a stand against the people attending this meeting, and have them purged from the party.

Either Childers, Nulty, and the other nuts are in Labour, or they're out. Time to decide.
Purged. Now there's a word.
What next investigating Jewish doctors?
 

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Gilmore should take a stand against the people attending this meeting, and have them purged from the party.

Either Childers, Nulty, and the other nuts are in Labour, or they're out. Time to decide.
He could send them off to exile in deepest Connemara or some Island off the Donegal coast...lol
 

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