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Labour Trouble in Meath East


kittykat

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Rumbles from Meath East in the LP camp. Seems the Senator does not have the support of the punters as he lost some vote on the number of candidates and there is no sign of his nomination coming out of LP HO. Anyone got more detail on this. Sure sign I suppose that there is something real at stake when there are serious fights about LP nominations in Meath East. Was a time you could have 2 nominations there for the price of a kilo of sugar!!
 


LgCastell

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Hannigan will surely be given the place he was very close last time out and is sure to be over the line next time but hardly room for lab to go from 0 to 2 here is there?
 

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The Organising committee determined that only Hannigan could be nominated for a one candidate ticket. He was duly nominated and selected on Thursday without a ballot.

Less than half of the ME membership showed up to support him. There was a motion by Kells branch to run two candidates. This motion was passed by ballot in spite of Hannigan being against it. Less than a quarter of the membership supported Hannigan on this and opposed the motion.

He does seem to be unable to get the full membership behind him.
 

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In many ways this should not be seen as being unusual! If the boat is lifting more people will want to be aboard!! But this is a bit worrying that Hannigan couldn't get the membership behind him!
 

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In many ways this should not be seen as being unusual! If the boat is lifting more people will want to be aboard!! But this is a bit worrying that Hannigan couldn't get the membership behind him!
Hannigan used to be a councillor in East Meath, what a planning basket case. It would be worth examining his voting record on some of the crazier planning decisions in East Meath. Probably the main reason Thomas Byrne beat him a the last election, he never dirtied his copy book as a councillor.
 

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The Organising committee determined that only Hannigan could be nominated for a one candidate ticket. He was duly nominated and selected on Thursday without a ballot.

Less than half of the ME membership showed up to support him. There was a motion by Kells branch to run two candidates. This motion was passed by ballot in spite of Hannigan being against it. Less than a quarter of the membership supported Hannigan on this and opposed the motion.

He does seem to be unable to get the full membership behind him.
This has all the makings of a shambles for Labour in Meath East.

The Kells branch made a balls of it. They should not only have proposed their '2-candidate' (successful) motion, but also proposed that Standing Orders be put aside to allow someone like Cllr Brian Collins to be proposed as a second candidate at the meeting. Even if rejected, that - plus their basic motion being carried - would have given them a strong case to go to the Organisation Cttee.

The reality is that Hannigan is not popular with many Labour members in the constituency. He is seen as a 'blow in' with no real roots in the Labour movement and no real ideology. He was parachuted in as a by-election candidate by the discredited Rabbitte junta simply because he had topped the poll in his area as an Independent candidate for the county council and they thought he could repeat the trick for Labour. He has always been 'the white headed boy' candidate of Ely Place. But they they are out of touch with the reality on the ground.

Far from getting two seats here, Labour will struggle to get even one with Hannigan. His vote pulling power is not good, and he is geographically confined to a small north eastern corner of the constituency. Also, he has been slow to support grassroots issues and has not done well in the Seanad in representing Meath issues.

Prediction for Meath E: McEntee (FG) to top the poll by a big margin on the first count. Last 2 seats between Byrne, Hannigan, McEntee's running mate and an Independent. 1 FG 1 FF 1 Ind (FF loss to Ind)
 

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Did Brian Collins and Kells Labour let it go in return for Brians election as "Elected Secretary of the Labour Councillors Association?. This grouping has 130+ elected reps so in Labour world a significant post. It would also finish the mutterings of undemocartic Labour with candidates been chosen centrally rather than locally.

Rumour and I repeat rumour is "any potential meath Labour candidate must bring €20,000to the table before they will even be considered as a candidate". Anyone heard similiar rumours?
 

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Did Brian Collins and Kells Labour let it go in return for Brians election as "Elected Secretary of the Labour Councillors Association?. This grouping has 130+ elected reps so in Labour world a significant post. It would also finish the mutterings of undemocartic Labour with candidates been chosen centrally rather than locally.
Collins probably thinks this connection will improve his chances of being elected to the Seanad


Rumour and I repeat rumour is "any potential meath Labour candidate must bring €20,000to the table before they will even be considered as a candidate". Anyone heard similiar rumours?
What is the point of putting up here a 'rumour' like this? Either stand it up - chapter and verse - or withdraw the allegation.
 

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What is the point of putting up here a 'rumour' like this? Either stand it up - chapter and verse - or withdraw the allegation.
This information (The Labour candidate in Meath West must bring €20,000 to the table) is widely known in political circles in Meath.
Labour are not trying to hide it either Nobber Man, so get off your high horse.
The info came from prospective Labour Candidates, they must have or be capable of raising €20,000.
 

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Collins probably thinks this connection will improve his chances of being elected to the Seanad




What is the point of putting up here a 'rumour' like this? Either stand it up - chapter and verse - or withdraw the allegation.
Has Brian changed direction and now see's his career developing in the Seaned? maybe this was pointed out to him as an alternative to challeninging "New labour" in Meath. It was funny to see Dominic leave the labour party banner to stand with FG's McEntee and Reilly at yesterdays march.

As topcat put it "get off your high horse", it was discussed at yesterdays march in Labour circles, I am trying to establish is the Meath Labour party vetting its candidates on thier ability to do the job or what funds they can contribute to the campaign.

Perhaps comrade Gilmore could donate some of the €520,000 his wife (hmmm) got for the sale of the land for education in Galway, (Sunday Tribune 31/10/2010) to get some labour representation in Meath.
 

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Brian Collins is just what the Seanad needs

Brian Collins is just what the Seanad needs

Welcome to Meathwest.com

A crematorium for Meath
Dimming streetlights by 5%

The perspective of a single man heading for forty, living with his parents who does not drive.

Hannigan was never in doubt for the nomination.

He would lose to Peadar Tóbin by miles in Meath West
 

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Brian Collins is just what the Seanad needs

Welcome to Meathwest.com

A crematorium for Meath
Dimming streetlights by 5%

The perspective of a single man heading for forty, living with his parents who does not drive.

Hannigan was never in doubt for the nomination.

He would lose to Peadar Tóbin by miles in Meath West
Did'nt know you needed to drive to be elected? seems like they certainly forget when they get to the cabinet.

Dominic would lose by a mile, explain please
 

Gemlarkin

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No Brian would lose by a mile to Peadar

Did'nt know you needed to drive to be elected? seems like they certainly forget when they get to the cabinet.

Dominic would lose by a mile, explain please
No Brian would lose by a mile to Peadar.

You dont need to drive to get elected. You dont need to drive. We need a more diverse spectrum of Irish life in the Seanad

Brian could broaden the spectrum in the Seanad as a young single man who does not drive, is approaching forty and living with his parents. That cohort are under represented in politics, and his accession to the Seanad would give that cohort a voice as well making the Seanad more inclusive.
 

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extracting the urine, Gem

Would disagree stongly that Brian would lose by a mile, if he would lose at all. 2004 was the last time SF beat Labour in elections in Meath, I recall Dominic beating Joe in the Bye election 2005, put the East and West together and Labour are in front.

Where is all these votes coming for Peader that were'nt there for Joe?
 

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Peadar got 10,000 people on the streets in Navan yesterday

extracting the urine, Gem

Would disagree stongly that Brian would lose by a mile, if he would lose at all. 2004 was the last time SF beat Labour in elections in Meath, I recall Dominic beating Joe in the Bye election 2005, put the East and West together and Labour are in front.

Where is all these votes coming for Peader that were'nt there for Joe?
Peadar got 10,000 people on the streets in Navan yesterday. He is very able.
 

TheHoney

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Peadar got 10,000 people on the streets in Navan yesterday. He is very able.
I would'nt think even Peader would claim "he got 10,000 people" on the streets yesterday no matter how you dress it up. Peader is always at pains to point out this is a cross party campaign. There were speakers and supporters from every political party and a sizeable contingent from Siptu.

Realistically how many of the 10,000 live in Meath West and vote SF. That is not taken away from Peader who is making hay as "Nobber Man" might suggest.
 

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Yesterday did Peadar no harm

I would'nt think even Peader would claim "he got 10,000 people" on the streets yesterday no matter how you dress it up. Peader is always at pains to point out this is a cross party campaign. There were speakers and supporters from every political party and a sizeable contingent from Siptu.

Realistically how many of the 10,000 live in Meath West and vote SF. That is not taken away from Peader who is making hay as "Nobber Man" might suggest.
Yesterday did Peadar no harm. how many of the 10 or 15 thousand have family in Meath East or West? They turned out despite a smear from FF and a FG politican that the Save Navan Hospital Cmpaign was a SF electoral racket.

Yester day Navan Hospital became an election issue as well as the €45 million annual budget for Navan Hospital.

Peadar has a good start to hover up the anti government vote which will transfer.
 

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I am not disagreeing that the "Save Navan Hospital campaign" has not come at a better time for Peader who is making the most of it. I am not suggesting that Peader is not genuine in his concerns for Navan hospital. I have posted concerns regarding the tactics of Bradan Feasa.
http://www.politics.ie/meath/141513-5-000-people-march-navan-hospital-sat-30th-oct-6.html

What I am saying is that he would not beat Brian Collins or any other Labour candidate by a mile and I am basing that on previous election results and the strong showing of the Labour Party in Meath West in 2009.

I did'nt hear the smear, what was it and who put it out?
 

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Brian went to sleep since the locals

I am not disagreeing that the "Save Navan Hospital campaign" has not come at a better time for Peader who is making the most of it. I am not suggesting that Peader is not genuine in his concerns for Navan hospital. I have posted concerns regarding the tactics of Bradan Feasa.
http://www.politics.ie/meath/141513-5-000-people-march-navan-hospital-sat-30th-oct-6.html

What I am saying is that he would not beat Brian Collins or any other Labour candidate by a mile and I am basing that on previous election results and the strong showing of the Labour Party in Meath West in 2009.

I did'nt hear the smear, what was it and who put it out?
Brian went to sleep since the locals

Welcome to Meathwest.com

They could have demolished Our Lady's and there would not have been a peep from Brian or Labour
 

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