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L.O. Dublin S.C.

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As one or two of my fellow party members know, I don't post much on this site anymore. What was a website of proper debate with interesting issues being raised has now just become a petty battleground for cheap points scoring (sometimes, posters don't even manage that on their tangent). I have engaged in this but after a while it becomes boring.

Especially the rehashed threads on the Labour forum. Usually it is Labour is too Left-wing or is not Left-wing at all or is too close to the Unions or will never get above X% of the vote or above X seats in the Dáil or has no policies or it is on some other lie or unfounded garbage. I have no problem with debate about Labour but at least keep it sane and/or original. For example, Labour has policies, so lets stop the crap about how we don't. Our ideas & policies » Our ideas » The Labour Party

In a way, this is encourging, as Labour support and membership grows, the attacks become more and more insane and less and less people believe the attacks on Labour, which is obliviously a good thing. However, rather then spend my time arguing the same silly attacks, I can leaflet, canvass and recruit for the Labour Party. I would suggest my fellow party members who are on this site do the same in their respective constituencies.

Any posts would be helpful?
 


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As one or two of my fellow party members know, I don't post much on this site anymore. What was a website of proper debate with interesting issues being raised has now just become a petty battleground for cheap points scoring (sometimes, posters don't even manage that on their tangent). I have engaged in this but after a while it becomes boring.

Especially the rehashed threads on the Labour forum. Usually it is Labour is too Left-wing or is not Left-wing at all or is too close to the Unions or will never get above X% of the vote or above X seats in the Dáil or has no policies or it is on some other lie or unfounded garbage. I have no problem with debate about Labour but at least keep it sane and/or original. For example, Labour has policies, so lets stop the crap about how we don't. Our ideas & policies » Our ideas » The Labour Party

In a way, this is encourging, as Labour support and membership grows, the attacks become more and more insane and less and less people believe the attacks on Labour, which is obliviously a good thing. However, rather then spend my time arguing the same silly attacks, I can leaflet, canvass and recruit for the Labour Party. I would suggest my fellow party members who are on this site do the same in their respective constituencies.

Any posts would be helpful?
I will be looking for the Labour candidate/s in the next election. Strange as I detest party politics.
But, may I say that a post like this, which is mainly criticising this site, is hardly helpful to your cause. Whatever ones personal feelings are, should be kept out if you want anybody to take any notice of your main point. Therefore you should have gone straight in with your link and kept the post optimistic, pleasant and enticing. Otherwise, the casual reader will think you're not one bit better than the two main parties - dour, corrupt, greedy and rather stupid.
 
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You were missed like a bad smell.

Funny you came back so quickly and then tell us you were away.

Its not like we CARE.
 

L.O. Dublin S.C.

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I will be looking for the Labour candidate/s in the next election. Strange as I detest party politics.
But, may I say that a post like this, which is mainly criticising this site, is hardly helpful to your cause. Whatever ones personal feelings are, should be kept out if you want anybody to take any notice of your main point. Therefore you should have gone straight in with your link and kept the post optimistic, pleasant and enticing. Otherwise, the casual reader will think you're not one bit better than the two main parties - dour, corrupt, greedy and rather stupid.
Dour - Maybe about the issues I have raised but nothing outside of that. Corrupt - How? Greedy - Again, how? Rather Stupid -If that is for putting this site in a bad light, then I'll make it clearer by saying that it isn't the site that is the problem, it is the same boring posters putting up the same boring crap that is the problem.

You were missed like a bad smell.

Funny you came back so quickly and then tell us you were away.

Its not like we CARE.
You care. I know you do.
 

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It seems labour is doing just fine, their policy on ambiguity is going down a treat with the electorate, it seems onwards and upwards for the Gilmore Gael.
 

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It seems labour is doing just fine, their policy on ambiguity is going down a treat with the electorate, it seems onwards and upwards for the Gilmore Gael.
Exactly the kind of crap I'm talking about.
 

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Labour were always the likely destination of the disenchanted Bertie generation. Gillmore has played his hand very well in appealing to them.
 

sport02

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Exactly the kind of crap I'm talking about.
Specifically where do Labour stand on re-negotiating the amont liable to the state, with regards to the bondholders.
I have heard Leo Vradkar say it is Fine Gael policy, to try limit the amount of financial exposure to the Irish taxpayer, from what I have seen, Labour seem to be wishy washy.
 

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Can't wait to have Labour in power..in fact with the appalling Governments we've had under Ahern and Cowen you should be running this country by now...
 

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here's a tip : proposing to borrow even MORE money to build Soviet style roads to nowhere - as Gilmore proposed on natonal radio last week - is only going to scare off the voters.

try to come up with the theme that everyone can identify with - such as the elimination of gombeenism in Irish politics. Grow some backbone and put out huge hints that if Labour ever win a majority we will see the likes of Bertie and Cowen in the dock, and JAILED.

think bigger picture on the kind of Republic you want to have in the future rather than crazy Soviet policies that make no sense whatsoever economically. Think more about enforcement of the law and making it apply to everyone , no matter what their status.

We have folks getting jailed over unpaid 200 euro fines, and meanwhile Seanie Fitz is allowed to run off from Anglo with millions in his wife's bank account. There is a huge sense of injustice in that - and you just need to tap into it.

Equality under the law is a major topic that is coming up again and again. And since this notion of "equality" is a big plank of Labour philosophy , its all there for the taking , if you manage it right and get the correct message out.

But please -no more borrowing to build Soviet roads to nowhere - we're not stupid.
 

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You know if you keep saying labour and soviet enough times in the same post, click your heels and wish hard enough you might just convince someone that eamonn Gilmore =Stalin. Nice try comrade
 

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You know if you keep saying labour and soviet enough times in the same post, click your heels and wish hard enough you might just convince someone that eamonn Gilmore =Stalin. Nice try comrade
grand so. just ignore completely what the main point of what i was saying.

fine.
 

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What is Labour's policy on public sector pay?

Would a Gilmore government tackle the real issues or is it just a notion?
 

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Labour has peaked too soon. The Irish people do not want to be governed by the Big Government, tax-and-spend, Left-Liberal Dublin 4 PC-elite. Remember the fate of the PDs in 1997 when they started at 12% and finished on 4.7%.
 

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Labour has peaked too soon. The Irish people do not want to be governed by the Big Government, tax-and-spend, Left-Liberal Dublin 4 PC-elite. Remember the fate of the PDs in 1997 when they started at 12% and finished on 4.7%.
How can you say that the Irish people don't want to be ruled by big government when we as tax payers have just bailed out the bankers and the developers.........We certainly didn't want to do it but it was a right wing conserative party that made the decision......Big government or not we the people have to pick up the bill for the naked capitalism of the last 20 years or so......
 

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How can you say that the Irish people don't want to be ruled by big government when we as tax payers have just bailed out the bankers and the developers.........
Polls have showed public-opposition to bailing out Anglo-Irish Bank. The electorate were not voting for this in 2007 because it seemed inconceivable at the time.
certainly didn't want to do it but it was a right wing conserative party that made the decision......Big government or not we the people have to pick up the bill for the naked capitalism of the last 20 years or so......
Bertie came out as a Socialist in 2004 and since then we have had Socialist govt. The nationalisation of Anglo-Irish and AIB are a SWP wet-dream.
 

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How can you say that the Irish people don't want to be ruled by big government when we as tax payers have just bailed out the bankers and the developers.........We certainly didn't want to do it but it was a right wing conserative party that made the decision......Big government or not we the people have to pick up the bill for the naked capitalism of the last 20 years or so......
the words "socialism" and "capitalism" are being thrown around with abandon by folks on here that i think it needs to be said that what we have ended up with is neither.


its cronynism. gombeenism. Fianna Fail could rename themselves to the Communist Party but the OUTCOME would still be the same. It's mafia economics on a national scale, but without the guns.


Think about it - how would you describe the economics of an Italian mafia family? It's neither right or left - its just mafia. That's Fianna Fail in a nutshell.

there are many of us on the right - myself included - who are equally against this as much as you are.
 

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No one says that Labour doesn't have a single policy it's just that they either have bad, vague, or non-costed policies. People want clear figures, not aspirations. It's good that Labour has a policy page but it needs to be improved hugely. The list is hopeless.

A Level Playing Field: No one cares about PE as a leaving subject when Politics, Chinese, computers and other subjects are more important for the LC. I think FG's optional Irish policy trumps this. Labour should come out in agreement with FG on that one.

Labour Youth - Policy Paper 2010: Don't get me started! This is nothing but a pile of Marxist fantasy. There's one or two good proposals here but I don't see the €uro symbol anywhere. Tell the young lads to get out a calculator and cost their proposals. They'll never happen if we don't know what they cost. Also it's stupid to see Labour Youth proposing billions worth of extra services when there's no money left!!

The Role of the Oireachtas post Lisbon: Again, not something that Labour needs to have on it's policy page. Lisbon is done, no one cares anymore!

Extending The Welcome: This is quite long and I haven't had a chance to read through it but tourism is important so at least there's one good topic covered on the policy page!

Labour's Priorities in Education 2010 - 2015: 2 pages long and no costings! I agree with the broad principles but we can't do it with no money. It calls for greater money to be spent on education without saying which areas of government spending will lose money. I wouldn't have expected this from Quinn, also his school sketch is nothing new. My 10 year old school looks exactly the same as the planned school.

Broad consensus now gathering behind universal health insurance: 10 years after Labour proposed UHI and still nothing on the cost or the implementation. Just Gilmore's speech about the values of the system and the principles of health care. It's all waffle. Fine Gael has costed a plan and it's ready to go in government. Labour needs to get its act together on this one and start getting a proposal ready like FairCare.

Investing in our Future: This is Fine Gael's plan so I don't know why it's on the labour policy page :D

Then the other three don't seem up to much either. The betting industry is hardly a focus for economic recovery.

So that's all the Labour has produced this year in policy and this follows their 2009 budget submission which called for €1.3bn from the public sector pay bill through "negotiation" :)

Seriously lads, I know you HAVE policies, but please write some GOOD ones!
 

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As one or two of my fellow party members know, I don't post much on this site anymore. What was a website of proper debate with interesting issues being raised has now just become a petty battleground for cheap points scoring (sometimes, posters don't even manage that on their tangent). I have engaged in this but after a while it becomes boring.

Especially the rehashed threads on the Labour forum. Usually it is Labour is too Left-wing or is not Left-wing at all or is too close to the Unions or will never get above X% of the vote or above X seats in the Dáil or has no policies or it is on some other lie or unfounded garbage. I have no problem with debate about Labour but at least keep it sane and/or original. For example, Labour has policies, so lets stop the crap about how we don't. Our ideas & policies » Our ideas » The Labour Party

In a way, this is encourging, as Labour support and membership grows, the attacks become more and more insane and less and less people believe the attacks on Labour, which is obliviously a good thing. However, rather then spend my time arguing the same silly attacks, I can leaflet, canvass and recruit for the Labour Party. I would suggest my fellow party members who are on this site do the same in their respective constituencies.

Any posts would be helpful?
I've noticed the heat is being turned up on Labour and thought, good, they must be doing something right to scare the right-wing posters on this site.

I agree it is better to be out campaigning than being on here. I'm going to be taking some time out from here myself. I enjoy p.ie but it can be very addictive - which maybe explains why you came back to tell us you were gone? ;) It is also slightly ironic to read a post advising people to campaign rather than post, seeking posts in reply! I'm only slagging you, I know none of us post entirely consistently, humans never are entirely consistent.
 

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Labour do have policies;

1. Equality and Justice for all.
2. A one tier world class health service.
3. A one tier world class education system.
4. Tax the 'rich'.
5. Repay the cruel pay cuts taken from the Public Sector.
6. Full employment.

Did I miss anything?
 


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