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Large Gardens not to be assessed for Property Tax


Vega1447

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Some clause for concern as Enda digs in over tax - The Irish Times - Wed, Mar 06, 2013

Miriam Lord's piece on Property Tax in today's IT reports that:
Here’s the clause: “ ‘residential property’ means any building or structure which is in use as, or is suitable for use as, a dwelling and includes any shed, outhouse, garage or other building or structure and any yard, garden or other land, appurtenant to or usually enjoyed with that building, save that so much of any such yard, garden or other land that exceeds one acre shall not be taken into account for the purposes of this definition.”
Sounds like successful lobbying by owners of large properties...

Contemptible.
 

tigerben

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Surely a house with a big sized garden sells for more because of the extra land? FG party of the rich and champagne socialists !
 

wexfordman

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Bottler will be delighted!
 

drummed

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Yeah, all the citizens with large gardens formed a lobby group, we had protest march's and flags and stuff. Did you miss it?:rolleyes:
 

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ShoutingIsLeadership

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Yeah, all the citizens with large gardens formed
a lobby group, we had protest march's and flags and stuff. Did you miss it?:rolleyes:
The rear gunners, they called themselves. blokesbloke was a prominent, ahem, member
 

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Surely a house with a big sized garden sells for more because of the extra land? FG party of the rich and champagne socialists !
By your reckoning the whole farm should be subject to a property tax, clearly a nonsensical proposal!
 

Deep Blue

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More engaging of keyboard before the brain realises. Grew up in a house with a large suburban garden and now occupied by a pensioner on a moderate income. Contemptible indeed. As observed they tend to be of higher value so you will get taxed at a higher rate anyway.
An acre! :shock2:

I'm sure there's not many suburban gardens approaching anything like an acre.

Out the country, possibly, for Saoirse's pony, maybe...

Do you realise how many houses you could fit on an acre, sure that's a smallholding.....
 

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All taxes should be based on current income.
 

freewillie

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O Reillys mansion will be allright so. Its bad enough that the taxpayer subsidises his gardener and decorator
 

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Is the penny only starting to drop now?

Square footage of the physical property within which people actually live with a fair charge per square foot would be a much more stable and less volatile model. The size of a house is going to change a lot less than its value over time.

They could then have added a supplement charge for those with large amounts of land and levy a charge based on the land use... agricultural, recreational etc.

And if county councils are any good at their job they should have access to all the properties they've granted permission to build etc., and so avoid the constant 'value' bullsh!t the current plan will be cursed with.

It is beyond me how our 'establishment' make such a total balls of everything they do.

As it is the property tax is going to be open to all sorts of upward pressures on value. And the government will be one of the vested interests that will benefit because the more your house is worth, the more they're gonna screw out of you.
 
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Rightly so. Gardens add to the environment and tot ax them would be to penalise keen gardeners. If they were assessed you'd see them disappear and that would be a pity.
tough tits surely? does a normal city family not have the right to build an extra bedroom without this "window tax" being used to beat them with
 

ruserious

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There should only be two taxes... income and VAT with multiple levels of each in operation.

All other taxes including corporate etc. should be abolished.
Corporate? Why?

VAT is very regressive at present.
 

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I don't really see the problem with excluding gardens of more than one acre. There are very few such gardens, and there is a definition problem about what is garden and what is productive land. Presuming that everything over an acre is not directly related to residential needs seems fairly reasonable, if a little random.
 

Aindriu

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By your reckoning the whole farm should be subject to a property tax, clearly a nonsensical proposal!
Rubbish! Farms generate income and are taxed differently. Gardens do not generate income but are still assets so should be included in the property tax assessment!
 

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The problem I have with it is...if you overestimate the value you won't get a refund which errs people to underestimate which will make them liable to fines and confrontations with revenue.
 

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Bust developers will be cheering as their wives have very large gardens waiting for the economy to improve so that they can buy the next generation of gombeen politicians, and become the shy retiring billionares we love so much.
 

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Corporate? Why?

VAT is very regressive at present.
The way I see it is that all money eventually ends up in someone's account...

Money doesn't sit around in companies forever... If a company invests in or buys another company the money ends up in the accounts of those in the company that's been bought.

Or if a company doesn't invest or buy another then any profits eventually end up in the accounts of staff or shareholders etc...

So the goal imo should be to have multiple levels of income tax with a maximum level of 50% (because no 'state' should ever think it has the right to tax more than that), to tax all citizens on their global income and close any loopholes there are that enable many to avoid tax... And I'd back that up with punitive consequences for anyone found to cheat the system...

Then with regards to VAT... again, multiple levels based on various criteria... is the product or service a necessity like bread, milk, electricity or is it a luxury like a Ferrari...? and then apply tax rates based on that... VAT may be regressive but if it's streamlined and done properly it is a 'user pays' tax which is fair enough imo.

And in tandem with that I would abolish all other taxes and simplify the entire tax mess that has evolved...

But of course accountants, legal eagles and auditors etc. would hate this because it would threaten their ability to fleece everyone in return for their 'expertise'... so the prevailing mess is likely to endure... but if I was in charge it wouldn't...
 

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How's this going to work? They already said that Revenue will be assessing the value of your property based on the property price index. Does this mean that when you're selling your house the vendor will be only be making an offer on the house rather than the house and the land that it's actually sitting on?
 
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