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Latvian and Lithuanian crime in Ireland


Twin Towers

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We hear lots about the "brain drain" to Ireland from the accession states but nothing of the "stain drain"

Does anybody know if the Latvian and Lithuanian authorities inform gardai if people with criminal records in these countries are coming to Ireland. Or are they just glad to have them of their patch.

Do irish citizens have less right to protection from the import of foreign crime elements than U.S. citizens for instance.
 

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To be honest I was quite shocked at recent crime stats in my area of Swords, north County Dublin.
The Gardai have said that 20% of all crime recorded in that station is commited by non-nationals.
I asked if it was because the jurisdictions they have come from are maybe a bit lax about things liek car insurance, tax, drink-driving etc etc but I was told that ,no, it was actually much stricter in these countries.

I was disheartnening to hear because I could see a couple of people whom I know to be quite anti-immigrant, were smugly grinning with that "I told you so" look on the face.
 

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hiker said:
To be honest I was quite shocked at recent crime stats in my area of Swords, north County Dublin.
The Gardai have said that 20% of all crime recorded in that station is commited by non-nationals.
I asked if it was because the jurisdictions they have come from are maybe a bit lax about things liek car insurance, tax, drink-driving etc etc but I was told that ,no, it was actually much stricter in these countries.
indicates a certain lack of respect wouldn't you think?
 

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sackville said:
hiker said:
To be honest I was quite shocked at recent crime stats in my area of Swords, north County Dublin.
The Gardai have said that 20% of all crime recorded in that station is commited by non-nationals.
I asked if it was because the jurisdictions they have come from are maybe a bit lax about things liek car insurance, tax, drink-driving etc etc but I was told that ,no, it was actually much stricter in these countries.
indicates a certain lack of respect wouldn't you think?
I'm not sure. Motoring offences make up a significant proportion of recorded crime as does Alcohol related offences.ie getting into a scrap after a skinful and not running away when the Police come.

It might indicate that the general cost of living is too tight for immigrants and they are cutting corners by not paying for car insurance, tax or NCT/VRT.

The number cases of non-nationals, particularly east Europeans, that are brought to court for being drunk in a public place would indicate that they have an alcohol problem similar to our own.

If figures ever show that burgalries, muggings and vandalism is being carried out by non-nationals, then you might have a point.
 

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Twin Towers said:
Does anybody know if the Latvian and Lithuanian authorities inform gardai if people with criminal records in these countries are coming to Ireland. Or are they just glad to have them of their patch.
One could ask the question do the Gardai inform the relevant authorities on the Spanish Costa's and in Amsterdam when our drug lords move their base of operations from here to escape the attentions of the CAB.

This would appear to be a xenophobic topic dressed up in sheep's clothing.
 

hiker

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The topic is of interest from another perspective.

I have great faith in the future of EUROPOL

If ever a Union need a Federal Police Force its the European Union. I feel its imperative that this organisation be given greater resources to combat cross-border crime within the EU.
 

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Twin Towers said:
We hear lots about the "brain drain" to Ireland from the accession states but nothing of the "stain drain"

Does anybody know if the Latvian and Lithuanian authorities inform gardai if people with criminal records in these countries are coming to Ireland. Or are they just glad to have them of their patch.

Do irish citizens have less right to protection from the import of foreign crime elements than U.S. citizens for instance.
Why stop at Latvian and Lithuanian. The guy they arrested yesterday for the Kilkenny of the postmaster is Chinese! Where did a Chinese guy get a handgun? It was hardly from the IRA!
 

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Limerick Lad said:
One could ask the question do the Gardai inform the relevant authorities on the Spanish Costa's and in Amsterdam when our drug lords move their base of operations from here to escape the attentions of the CAB.
The GardaĆ­ actually do inform the Spanish authorities and the Dutch authorities.
Did nobody watch the programme last year on the Penguin?

One of the main problems with Irish criminals going to Holland or Spain (or where ever else) is that alot of the time when the GardaĆ­ inform the authorities in the other countries, they get told that they have bigger, more dangerous criminals to catch, who are sometimes Dutch or Spanish nationals, naturally meaning they recieve their attention first.

I'm sure those toe-rags Suggs and Coates were seen as small fry compared to some of the felons who litter the Spanish costas.
 

Twin Towers

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Limerick Lad said:
xenophobic
xenophobic really?

I am sure the gardai hear of Latvians and Lithuanians who are on the run from these countries and may be here. But for those "with form" or newly released , are we informed of their arrival on our shores?
 

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Twin Towers said:
Does anybody know if the Latvian and Lithuanian authorities inform gardai if people with criminal records in these countries are coming to Ireland. Or are they just glad to have them of their patch.

Do irish citizens have less right to protection from the import of foreign crime elements than U.S. citizens for instance.
To go to the US, you need a visa. To come to Ireland from Lithuania or Latvia, you need nothing more than a means of transport. The authorities need never know your destination, or even your intention to leave the country.

Not making excuses, just giving a practical explanation of why such information is not necessarily passed on about people who happen to get into a scrap after a night on the sauce.
 

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TheBear said:
Twin Towers said:
Does anybody know if the Latvian and Lithuanian authorities inform gardai if people with criminal records in these countries are coming to Ireland. Or are they just glad to have them of their patch.

Do irish citizens have less right to protection from the import of foreign crime elements than U.S. citizens for instance.
To go to the US, you need a visa. To come to Ireland from Lithuania or Latvia, you need nothing more than a means of transport. The authorities need never know your destination, or even your intention to leave the country.

Not making excuses, just giving a practical explanation of why such information is not necessarily passed on about people who happen to get into a scrap after a night on the sauce.
True, you can not stop someone from the EU moving to another state within the EU nor can you deport an EU citizens who has commited a crime
 

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hiker said:
It might indicate that the general cost of living is too tight for immigrants and they are cutting corners by not paying for car insurance, tax or NCT/VRT.
If the MoJ had been doing his job for the past 4 years (and the 5 before it as Chief Pole Climber / occasional Attorney General), and not appearing in every TV and Radio studio on these islands, maybe the Gardai would have systems in place to check for things like these, rather than solely by using road blocks. The Road Tax disc, NCT, etc. haven't changed since the advent of cheap high quality colour printers. Of course they are going to be forged, as the chances of getting caught are so small. And if you're caught, the fines are derisiory!
 

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Jacobin
"Did not here the same xenophobic drivel coming from the spanish people"

How do you know? Do you speak Spanish? I'll bet my Christmas bonus that the Spaniards are p--ed off with the hospitality of their country being abused by immigrant criminals. They feel the same as the Irish.
 

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paypal said:
Jacobin
"Did not here the same xenophobic drivel coming from the spanish people"

How do you know? Do you speak Spanish? I'll bet my Christmas bonus that the Spaniards are p--ed off with the hospitality of their country being abused by immigrant criminals. They feel the same as the Irish.
about the irish gangsters in their country?
 

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Enforcement of traffic laws is a joke. I'm always on the road driving about the country - Galway to Derry and Dublin every couple of weeks and occassionally to Limerick, Cavan and Cork, and I never see the Guards actually doing their jobs. I'm in Galway 6 years, and I've come across a grand total of four Garda checkpoints - one in Dublin, one in Sligo and 2 in Mayo.

Obviously foreign nationals, probably only planning to stay here for a year or two, will cop on to this pretty quickly and decide not to bother. Why should they? If we don't respect and enforce our own laws, why should they bother observing them?
 

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Jacobin said:
paypal said:
Jacobin
"Did not here the same xenophobic drivel coming from the spanish people"

How do you know? Do you speak Spanish? I'll bet my Christmas bonus that the Spaniards are p--ed off with the hospitality of their country being abused by immigrant criminals. They feel the same as the Irish.
about the irish gangsters in their country?
I think that is what he is saying. Or perhaps the Spaniards enjoy the colour that foreign criminals bring to their country.
 

Jacobin

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popper said:
Jacobin said:
paypal said:
Jacobin
"Did not here the same xenophobic drivel coming from the spanish people"

How do you know? Do you speak Spanish? I'll bet my Christmas bonus that the Spaniards are p--ed off with the hospitality of their country being abused by immigrant criminals. They feel the same as the Irish.
about the irish gangsters in their country?
I think that is what he is saying. Or perhaps the Spaniards enjoy the colour that foreign criminals bring to their country.
Especially as his emphasis is on immigrant criminals. He does not mention his own fellow irish country men that deal drugs in spain or those boys that assist ETA to kill innocent civilians.
 

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What is your point?I don't think anyone disagrees that Irish criminals are a nuisance in Spain and elsewhere. You, however, seem to be using that as a justification for our hosting considerable numbers of criminals from other countries.
 
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