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Leader of FG on Dublin City Council says Kenny doesn't have support of the people


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The leader of Fine Gael on Dublin City Council Dr Bill Tormey has posted an article to his website saying Enda Kenny should resign as leader of Fine Gael and be the party's candidate for President.

The article was originally written by Matt Cooper in today's Irish Examiner. Cllr Tormey's website has published the text into a post on his own site.

The op-ed by Matt Cooper says that Enda resigning as leader and running for President would solve problems for "him, his party and for this country".

The article goes on to say that there are many in FG who still wish Kenny to go but that if he goes and doesn't have another job, he may become an embarassment like Bertie Ahern has.

In a seperate blog post on his site, Tormey refers to the same piece by Cooper saying the refrain about Enda Kenny is gathering pace.

Matt Cooper’s musings in the Irish Examiner on the Enda Kenny issue are interesting. Enda has worked magnificently for years and does not deserve the shredding he got recently in the Sunday Independent. But as a putative Taoiseach, there is a public interest in Enda that transends the interests of Fine Gael. I hear it everywhere I go. It is the same refrain for years only gathering pace. Can Mark Mortell change the game? This is a very serious issue for Ireland.
Cllr Tormey was a vocal supporter of Enda Kenny back in June during the heave, the publication of Cooper's article on his website has raised alarm amongst many senior Fine Gaelers tonight.

Politics.ie spoke with Cllr Tormey tonight who confirmed he'd posted the article to the site. In a long discussion, Cllr Tormey said that he personally supported Enda Kenny, but he believed that the people weren't behind him, saying that "the economy and the country have to transcend one man".

Cllr Tormey told Politics.ie that there were some elements of Fine Gael, including the backroom that were in denial of the likely outcome of the election. When asked what he thought that likely outcome was, Cllr Tormey told Politics.ie that he believed Fine Gael would lose seats if a General Election was held before Christmas.
 
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anewbeginning

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I pity Kenny having to lead a party of self interested idiots. Fact is Kenny is the legitimately elected leader, whereas the others are not.

Kenny is not popular because he doesn't indulge in auction politics and he has refused to tell public sector workers what they want to hear, unlike Labour.

It's time Kenny started making examples of the idiots in FG who keep sniping at him.

Auction politics and catering to the demands of the public sector worker and unions is one of the reasons we are bankrupt today and will be into the future.

I guess the idiots in FG want a leader who is good at auction and stroke politics.

As for matters economic, that job is Michael Noonan's. When a manager of a train company employs someone to drive the train, the manager shouldn't then have to drive the train himself, now should he.
 

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Fine Gael need to sort this out, they are playing into the hands of FF and Labour, don't they ever learn, just change leader, and be done with it.
Then you can put your full concentration in leading the next goverment.
 

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All that talk about Kenny having a different style of leadership is nonsense. Kenny's ability to communicate to the electorate is on par with Brian Cowen's. He's singularly unable to inspire confidence in the electorate as opinion poll after poll has shown. He hasn't been able to project his vision for the future to the electorate. He has failed to differentiate FG from FF. The best thing you can say for FG at the moment is that they're not FF.

Kenny needs to go.
 

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sport02, at least 10% of Kennys vote loss can be attributed to PS workers who have gone over to a Labour party they perceive will go easy on them.

Remove that 10% element and Kenny would be in the mid 30% if not higher.

Do we want a FG leader who would say things like, if I'm in government I will restore pay cuts to PS workers and won't demand any more productivity?

Because that is exactly what Eamon Gilmore is holding out to PS workers, that Labour will row back on wage cuts to PS workers when he is in government.

I'd rather see FG come second in the election than start promising what Gilmore is promising, because if Gilmore does what he says in power, it will be a 1977 scenario all over again, and cuts in recent years, vital that they are, will be undone.

In short Gilmore could ruin the country if he rows back on PS pay cuts. Is that the kind of Taoiseach we need?

As soon as the moronic Irish electorate get sight of an election, all they want is auction politics and the politician who does auction politics best gets into power. It's been like that since at least 1977, and no-one did it better in recent years than FF.
 

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i find it hard to believe that senior FGers would be worried what Bill Tormey has to say!
 

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i find it hard to believe that senior FGers would be worried what Bill Tormey has to say!
Holw many parties has Tormey been in, certainly Labour I think also. Maybe he feels if he stayed with them he would have a better chance of a seat. He failed to make it last time.
 

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Poor Enda, he should have been allowed a humane end in June but then the likes of Tormey only prolonged the agony by being a bit slow to kop on.

Now they want to string poor Enda along as a FG presidential candidate when James Joyce is set to win it by a mile.
 

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I pity Kenny having to lead a party of self interested idiots. Fact is Kenny is the legitimately elected leader, whereas the others are not.

Kenny is not popular because he doesn't indulge in auction politics and he has refused to tell public sector workers what they want to hear, unlike Labour.

It's time Kenny started making examples of the idiots in FG who keep sniping at him.

Auction politics and catering to the demands of the public sector worker and unions is one of the reasons we are bankrupt today and will be into the future.

I guess the idiots in FG want a leader who is good at auction and stroke politics



So it's the public sectors fault that enda kenny is a charmless muppet. My god is their nothing we are not responsible for.

As for matters economic, that job is Michael Noonan's. When a manager of a train company employs someone to drive the train, the manager shouldn't then have to drive the train himself, now should he.
 

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sport02, at least 10% of Kennys vote loss can be attributed to PS workers who have gone over to a Labour party they perceive will go easy on them.

Remove that 10% element and Kenny would be in the mid 30% if not higher.

Do we want a FG leader who would say things like, if I'm in government I will restore pay cuts to PS workers and won't demand any more productivity?

Because that is exactly what Eamon Gilmore is holding out to PS workers, that Labour will row back on wage cuts to PS workers when he is in government.

I'd rather see FG come second in the election than start promising what Gilmore is promising, because if Gilmore does what he says in power, it will be a 1977 scenario all over again, and cuts in recent years, vital that they are, will be undone.

In short Gilmore could ruin the country if he rows back on PS pay cuts. Is that the kind of Taoiseach we need?

As soon as the moronic Irish electorate get sight of an election, all they want is auction politics and the politician who does auction politics best gets into power. It's been like that since at least 1977, and no-one did it better in recent years than FF.
I agree some what with you, but I don't want to see a labour lead goverment, I would be a swing voter, and would lean much more towards FG, if they replaced their leader.
I listened to Pat Rabbite and Leo Vradkar on Newstalk the other morning, I felt Pat Rabitte just waffled, he really annoyed me, he just would not answer the question, instead decided to go off on a tangent.
Leo was a bit better, but came across a lot more concise and coherent, I would certainly have more faith in him as a politican than Pat.
But the point is the electorate are not warming to Enda, and his party keep up with the rumblings of dis-satisfaction, I would prefer FG to just sort the bloody leadership issue out, once and for all, preferably replacing Kenny.
 

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I pity Kenny having to lead a party of self interested idiots. Fact is Kenny is the legitimately elected leader, whereas the others are not.

Kenny is not popular because he doesn't indulge in auction politics and he has refused to tell public sector workers what they want to hear, unlike Labour.

It's time Kenny started making examples of the idiots in FG who keep sniping at him.

Auction politics and catering to the demands of the public sector worker and unions is one of the reasons we are bankrupt today and will be into the future.

I guess the idiots in FG want a leader who is good at auction and stroke politics.

As for matters economic, that job is Michael Noonan's. When a manager of a train company employs someone to drive the train, the manager shouldn't then have to drive the train himself, now should he.
Good to see the FG press office hard at work on a Fri night

and there was me thinking our economic crash and bankruptcy was due to an overinflated construction industry driven by cheap credit and exorbitant land prices, that produced full employment in consumer driven spending sectors (paid by loans) and a massive though temporary increase in government taxes that FF used to pay off every vested interest in the country, fund gigantic amounts of waste in public spending and pay for numerous vanity projects.
and FG was there hand in hand with FF on county councils across the country zoning thousands of acres of land for development 'cos we want jobs'
 

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Kenny Lite lost his bite

Will he survive the weekend ? I cannot see Kenny as leader going into the GE. If he does survive I bet all the other party leaders will thank their lucky stars as Kenny will be their biggest asset.
 

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It's time Kenny started making examples of the idiots in FG who keep sniping at him.
The problem is the idiots you refer to above are the smart, capable people in the party and to ditch them would leave a cabinet full of gombeens and leave FG open to electoral meltdown.
 

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EMMMM??
Tormey...permanent resident on marc Coleman...constantly promoting his leader?? Bill would want to catch himself on!!

Will make the presidential dinner tomorrow a strange affair indeed!
 

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Will he survive the weekend ? I cannot see Kenny as leader going into the GE. If he does survive I bet all the other party leaders will thank their lucky stars as Kenny will be their biggest asset.
Exactly. FG's leader should be an electoral asset, not an electoral liability.
 

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The leader of Fine Gael on Dublin City Council Dr Bill Tormey has posted an article to his website saying Enda Kenny should resign as leader of Fine Gael and be the party's candidate for President.

The article was originally written by Matt Cooper in today's Irish Examiner. Cllr Tormey's website has published the text into a post on his own site.

The op-ed by Matt Cooper says that Enda resigning as leader and running for President would solve problems for "him, his party and for this country".

The article goes on to say that there are many in FG who still wish Kenny to go but that if he goes and doesn't have another job, he may become an embarassment like Bertie Ahern has.

In a seperate blog post on his site, Tormey refers to the same piece by Cooper saying the refrain about Enda Kenny is gathering pace.



Cllr Tormey was a vocal supporter of Enda Kenny back in June during the heave, the publication of Cooper's article on his website has raised alarm amongst many senior Fine Gaelers tonight.

Politics.ie spoke with Cllr Tormey tonight who confirmed he'd posted the article to the site. In a long discussion, Cllr Tormey said that he personally supported Enda Kenny, but he believed that the people weren't behind him, saying that "the economy and the country have to transcend one man".

Cllr Tormey told Politics.ie that there were some elements of Fine Gael, including the backroom that were in denial of the likely outcome of the election. When asked what he thought that likely outcome was, Cllr Tormey told Politics.ie that he believed Fine Gael would lose seats if a General Election was held before Christmas.
Perhaps Tormey might care to explain why HE himself has failed to win a Dail seat?
 

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Enda must go or FG will split and that will leave the door open for FF, we must realise that the most popular man in the country may be Gilmore but the most trusted man who has the confidence of the business community is Brian Lenihan.

Politics is a great game played slowly and the masters of this game are Fianna Fail. If we don’t take our heads from the sand these guys will be in Government again. There are many who will think this impossible but if you study the mood change from the general public it has gone from fear for their futures then anger against Fianna Fail but now it is despair against the whole political system.
Enda never had the trust of the public and he never will,he is now damaged goods.

FG are suffering because of this and it is unbelievable to thinks that the worst Government in the history of the state were level with the former main opposition party in the last opinion poll.
Yes polls are what they are but they show trends.
Enda please go and I am sorry to say you will not get elected to the Aras in a million years.
 

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firefly...
Stalin had charm, so had Hitler, in fact Hitler charmed millions. Mao had charm. The leader of North Korea has charm. Gaddafi is very charming as is Berlasconi.

One of our best Taoisigh, John Bruton may have suffered from a charm deficit in comparision to Bertie.

Just think about it for a minute.

As for Kenny lacking charisma, do you honestly think the rest of the front bench are teaming with charisma?

Anyone who judges a politician based on charm doesn't deserve a vote.
 

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firefly...
Stalin had charm, so had Hitler, in fact Hitler charmed millions. Mao had charm. The leader of North Korea has charm. Gaddafi is very charming as is Berlasconi.

One of our best Taoisigh, John Bruton may have suffered from a charm deficit in comparision to Bertie.

Just think about it for a minute.

As for Kenny lacking charisma, do you honestly think the rest of the front bench are teaming with charisma?

Anyone who judges a politician based on charm doesn't deserve a vote.


You could say anyone that is taken in by labour soundbites, should not be able to vote, anybody that is considering voting FF, should not be able to vote, anybody not taken in, by Enda should not be able to vote.
You don't have to pass some intelligence or cop on test, to vote, just be over 18, and the polls are showing, people just don't get Enda.
 

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