leaving Tribal affiliations Aside, How Different Are Southern and Nothern Irish People From Each Other?

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Leaving Tribal affiliations Aside, How Different Are Southern and Northern Irish People From Each Other?

A Dousy to finish the year off -
I think without a shadow that Northern PULs and CNRs have much more in common with each other than either have with Southerners!
Fr. Alec Reid and he knew his stuff said Southerners can never fully understand Nuances of interactions between Northerners!
Is it possible that there are greater perceptual gaps between Southern and Northern Irish than between West and East Germans, the latter being accused as having the wall still in their minds!
In fairness I would say The gap would not be as wide as that between Southern and Northern Koreans or even between Indian Subcontinent races.
BTW I don't want to come across as a Stickie or Conor Cruise Fake Socialist in saying that both sides of the partition divide have evolved so differently as to be completely separate entities, but we are different even our accents indicate that!
BTW Mods, I put it here, but may be it should be in the formal Nordie Forum!
 
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So we are exactly the same then!:rolleyes:
 

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So we are exactly the same then!:rolleyes:
Don't think the chat forum gets much traffic.

Besides it's a difficult question to answer.

How similar is a Kerryman to a Derryman? How similar is he to a Donegal man?

There are always more things in common between people, wherever they're from, than things that separate us. Between northern nationalists and southerners the GAA and other Irish cultural aspects have ensured a continuous non-partition, if not integration.
 

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One thing that surprised me was that Scottish People, who are always seen as our cousins, come acros as very much by the book people!
Re Nordies, it always amazes given their history and them being in your face stereotype, is that when you actually vist them, they appear very chilled! Also they seem to perceive themselves as far more liberal than the Mexicans down South, which in the modern context is absolute rubbish to hold as an opinion!
 

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Howzabout moving this to The Nordie Forum!
 

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One thing that surprised me was that Scottish People, who are always seen as our cousins, come acros as very much by the book people!
Re Nordies, it always amazes given their history and them being in your face stereotype, is that when you actually vist them, they appear very chilled! Also they seem to perceive themselves as far more liberal than the Mexicans down South, which in the modern context is absolute rubbish to hold as an opinion!
They think an awful lot of themselves, most of it nonsense.

They're creatures of their environment, harsh, confrontational, tribal, as we are creatures of ours, ours is just a better environment and we don't have the Scottish presbyterian blood mix to contend with.
 

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Don't think the chat forum gets much traffic.

Besides it's a difficult question to answer.

How similar is a Kerryman to a Derryman? How similar is he to a Donegal man?

There are always more things in common between people, wherever they're from, than things that separate us. Between northern nationalists and southerners the GAA and other Irish cultural aspects have ensured a continuous non-partition, if not integration.
derry women have sexier voices.... :):):)
 

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How different are people from Lilles from people from Orleans?

They would probably say a totally different species.

To us of course they are just French.

And so it is for the North/South divide in Ireland.
 

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"They think an awful lot of themselves, most of it nonsense."

So do Staters, all of it nonsense.

"They're creatures of their environment, harsh, confrontational, tribal, as we are creatures of ours,"

Staters are over-talkative, arrogant and selfish - who suffer from what seems to be a compulsive urge to preach in high moral tones at the rest of humanity - and the less they know about an issue, the more they talk.
 

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So do Staters, all of it nonsense.


Staters are over-talkative, arrogant and selfish - who suffer from what seems to be a compulsive urge to preach in high moral tones at the rest of humanity - and the less they know about an issue, the more they talk.
They're creatures of their environment, harsh, confrontational, tribal,
Yeah, like I said.
:D
 

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Nordies have moustaches :)
 

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A Dousy to finish the year off -
I think without a shadow that Northern PULs and CNRs have much more in common with each other than either have with Southerners!
Fr. Alec Reid and he knew his stuff said Southerners can never fully understand Nuances of interactions between Northerners!
Is it possible that there are greater perceptual gaps between Southern and Northern Irish than between West and East Germans, the latter being accused as having the wall still in their minds!
In fairness I would say The gap would not be as wide as that between Southern and Northern Koreans or even between Indian Subcontinent races.
BTW I don't want to come across as a Stickie or Conor Cruise Fake Socialist in saying that both sides of the partition divide have evolved so differently as to be completely separate entities, but we are different even our accents indicate that!
BTW Mods, I put it here, but may be it should be in the formal Nordie Forum!
I'd certainly agree that the differences between Southerners and Northerners of any tribal persuasion is greater than the differences between former Wessies and Ossies in Germany. But then Ireland was divided earlier, and for longer. The differences are now greatly entrenched.

IMO on that basis there are easily two nations on the island. Southerners, and a Taig and PUL Norner culture (not an Irish one and not a British one either - something else).
 

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A Dousy to finish the year off -
I think without a shadow that Northern PULs and CNRs have much more in common with each other than either have with Southerners!
Fr. Alec Reid and he knew his stuff said Southerners can never fully understand Nuances of interactions between Northerners!
Is it possible that there are greater perceptual gaps between Southern and Northern Irish than between West and East Germans, the latter being accused as having the wall still in their minds!
In fairness I would say The gap would not be as wide as that between Southern and Northern Koreans or even between Indian Subcontinent races.
BTW I don't want to come across as a Stickie or Conor Cruise Fake Socialist in saying that both sides of the partition divide have evolved so differently as to be completely separate entities, but we are different even our accents indicate that!
BTW Mods, I put it here, but may be it should be in the formal Nordie Forum!
I am a 4th generation Dub, possible 5th, my great, great, great, whatever, grand father came from Co. Derry, recently some distant relations made contact, the fact that some of us were born and reared south of the border is irrelevant. We have many things in common and many differences.
 

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To me there's as much difference between the PUL based community in NI and the rest of the people on the island as is possible to have between peoples with the same language and basically the same religion. I don't regard them as Irish nor do they. Perhaps Northern Irish is the right name for them though many would claim to be simply British often but that is not a nationality. The rest of us are Irish though we have been changed by the century long partition with substantial differences as a result.
 

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I'd certainly agree that the differences between Southerners and Northerners of any tribal persuasion is greater than the differences between former Wessies and Ossies in Germany. But then Ireland was divided earlier, and for longer. The differences are now greatly entrenched.

IMO on that basis there are easily two nations on the island. Southerners, and a Taig and PUL Norner culture (not an Irish one and not a British one either - something else).

I'd argue the real split in Germany is not between east and west, but rather between Germany and Bavaria. You could make the East West comparision with Ireland economically post Irish unification though in fairness.

Generally someone from Dresden or Cologne will be able to share many common things about being German, even with their regional differences. Many Bavarians on the other hand simply do not feel German per se and many Germans simply don't consider Bavarians to be one of us.
 

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Who cares?

Really, partition has created the illusion.

Personally I think there is very little difference between human beings in general.
 


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