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Legally avoiding speeding fines

terry666

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http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/snooper-syrius.htm


Speed camera and laser guns detectors, illegal in the south but legal in the north. Some people also have jammers in their cars which are illegal.


If photographed by a speed camera, if you 'cannot remember' who was driving ask for a copy of the photo. In 95 % of cases they drop the prosecution, its their legal duty to identify the driver commiting the offense.


If done by a speed gun, ask for a copy of the calibration cert, speed guns must be tested at regular intervals and issued with a calibration cert, its your legal right to see the cert. In many cases the calibration certs are out of date.
The prosecution is illegal.


If court doing 100 mph + get a barriester to represent you in court, it will save you your licence.
 


Akrasia

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the best way to legally avoid speeding fines is to stop speeding.

The amount of lunatics I saw on the roads this weekend was frightening.
 

QuizMaster

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So Terry do you want to tell us about other crimes and how to get away with them?
Surfing for child porn maybe? Hint: clear out your cache. Tell them other people had access to your PC but you can't remember who.
Robbing a bank: You had to dress yourself in the dark and inadvertantly put your wife's tights over your head. The gun was a gift from an old friend on his death bed. You wanted to get it valued by the bank manager.
Acceptance of bribes and/or tax evasion: The money was simply resting in your account. It was a Stamp Duty matter.
Rape: But m'lud she was wearing a very short skirt.
 

rockofcashel

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once again, terry posts utter rubbish.

The Gardai are not obliged to produce a Calibration Certificate for the device that was used to measure your level of speed in a car.

In fact, they do not even have to prove that the device was in "proper working order".

Maybe sounds unbelievable. But it's true.

http://www.oir.ie/documents/bills28/acts/2004/a4404.pdf

scroll down to page 12.
 

kerrynorth

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Well there is an actual way of avoiding paying speeding or any other traffic offence fines in Ireland. Its quite simple really. If the fine is say E60 then send in a cheque for E65, because it is above the legally required amount under our legislation they cannot cash the cheque, however, as you can prove that you sent them at least the amount of fine then they cannot prosecute you. Catch 22. It does actually work!
 

david

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kerrynorth said:
Well there is an actual way of avoiding paying speeding or any other traffic offence fines in Ireland. Its quite simple really. If the fine is say E60 then send in a cheque for E65, because it is above the legally required amount under our legislation they cannot cash the cheque, however, as you can prove that you sent them at least the amount of fine then they cannot prosecute you. Catch 22. It does actually work!
Gah...discriminatory, as usual. What if you don't have a cheque book? 8) Letting bank account users get away with it whilst not offering a similar loophole to cash payers.
 

terry666

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And you want unity with that place :roll:


You have a legal right under EU freedom of information act to view data on from equipment used to prosecute you as part of your defence.

If the garda are refusing this they are in breech of EU law.

And most likely they dont even have up to date certs.
 

kerrynorth

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david said:
kerrynorth said:
Well there is an actual way of avoiding paying speeding or any other traffic offence fines in Ireland. Its quite simple really. If the fine is say E60 then send in a cheque for E65, because it is above the legally required amount under our legislation they cannot cash the cheque, however, as you can prove that you sent them at least the amount of fine then they cannot prosecute you. Catch 22. It does actually work!
Gah...discriminatory, as usual. What if you don't have a cheque book? 8) Letting bank account users get away with it whilst not offering a similar loophole to cash payers.
Don't you just love the banks! They reallly have their uses. :D

All you have to do is to get someone you know with a cheque book to write the cheque in your name and you endorse it on the back. Same effect!
 

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Does anyone really still believe that old chestnut? More fool you. Well good luck with it.
 

Rapisco

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kerrynorth said:
Well there is an actual way of avoiding paying speeding or any other traffic offence fines in Ireland. Its quite simple really. If the fine is say E60 then send in a cheque for E65, because it is above the legally required amount under our legislation they cannot cash the cheque, however, as you can prove that you sent them at least the amount of fine then they cannot prosecute you. Catch 22. It does actually work!
This is not true. I was recently in court over a speeding fine (Which was thrown out!). Anyway, my point is that i saw a load of cases that day and basically if you send in the wrong amount, you will be convicted because the onus is on the individual to submit the correct fee because it is clearly indicated on the summons.

Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law.
 

st333ve

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I would seriously doubt the precision of some of these speed reading devices.
I was driving behind a police car last year and it pulled over and then drove behind me.
I kept below the 40 mph limit and i was pulled over.
The officer told me i was doing over 50!
I explained that i obviously wasnt speeding as he quite obviously pulled in behind me and i knew he was there.
I said to him his equiptment must be faulty, he neither agreed or disagreed but he told me to get my speedo checked and let me go.
The speedo in my car is fine, the hand held speed cameras can only take a speed from a certain distance, if the speed is taken too close to the vehicle it will read incorrect.
I think there has to be 1/4 mile of straight road between you and the speed trap for it to be effective, i often see them hiding around corners which renders the equiptment inaccurate.
You have a right to go to court to dispute these charges, as they are often thrown out of court for inaccuracy.
 

terry mc kenna

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speeding fine????

last december i was pulled over for speeding i was doing 65 in a 60 zone i was not handed a ticket and was not shown the speed gun and never recieved a fine in the post. yesterday the guards called to my door to inform me i had to appear in court in cork for non payment of the fine.a court appearance i will have to take a day off work for as i live in limerick. as i have no means of paying the fine (I.E.)no ticket some friends have told me it could be thrown out......anyone have any opinions or info please...
 

trendboy

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Followed by a speed checker without a gun

Hi everyone

Can they legally get you if you are followed by a gard on a bike?

I was the last in a group of cars on the part of the N7 that turns into the M7 at Naas. I was really close to the change to 120KPH when I was pulled over in the middle of the night after work.

I was very upset at the time after the split of a relationship so he clearly enjoyed his job with his awful comments to me as I was virtually in tears. I also showed him my college ID and license and showed him that I had never speed in my life yet he said he "clocked me going 133kph". I said - and perhaps stupidly "really? I didn't realise, I was following the cars ahead of me, I guess I am tired after work".

He then took my details and told me there would be a fine in the post and points.

Now I am thinking in hindsight he was following me - he had no speed gun - also I never agreed with him that I was going that speed - in fact I don't believe I was! but you know what it is like with them - they always try to make you feel like you are a worthless lier!

I started to get very upset in tears unable to talk as he then started telling me that I was using every excuse in the book after I said the only money I have is this small job I do one day a week as Im a postgrad student and I really can't afford a fine or my insurance to rise and I have never done anything wrong before etc... so surely this would stand to me, he then started saying "you can't be this upset over this - is there something else you are not telling me". I was in shock at him. Anyhow he went off and left me in a terrible upset state.

It took me about 30 minutes to get myself together on the side of the road after the way I was spoken to.

I am the type of person that just gets on with it but I really feel I should take this to court if I get a fine, but I am afraid of the 800 fine if I lost - does anybody agree with me that standing up for yourself should NOT come with a risk like that - it is awful! I am hoping that because I was so near the motorway "line" where it goes to 120 (looking at it where he stoped me!) and that he had no speed gun, and all my life without ever getting a speeding ticket, and a postgraduate student who is doing my best to survive in this country while I study, do I have a chance of getting out of this?

Thanks
 

sparkey321

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once again, terry posts utter rubbish.

The Gardai are not obliged to produce a Calibration Certificate for the device that was used to measure your level of speed in a car.

In fact, they do not even have to prove that the device was in "proper working order".

Maybe sounds unbelievable. But it's true.

http://www.oir.ie/documents/bills28/acts/2004/a4404.pdf

scroll down to page 12.
That's Nuts.

They can use a device that is years out of calibration and its readings are pretty much unchallengeable. Its up to the individual to prove the equipment was faulty while at the same time the guards can prevent you getting access to it.
 

sparkey321

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last december i was pulled over for speeding i was doing 65 in a 60 zone i was not handed a ticket and was not shown the speed gun and never recieved a fine in the post. yesterday the guards called to my door to inform me i had to appear in court in cork for non payment of the fine.a court appearance i will have to take a day off work for as i live in limerick. as i have no means of paying the fine (I.E.)no ticket some friends have told me it could be thrown out......anyone have any opinions or info please...
It used to be the case but as usual it was abused with every Tom Dick and Harry claiming they never received the ticket and having their cases dismissed.

At least 1 judge is no accepting proof of sending as proof of delivery.
 

myksav

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No problem, it's dead simple. Don't exceed the speed limit. It works for me all the time.
 

sparkey321

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Hi everyone

Can they legally get you if you are followed by a gard on a bike?

I was the last in a group of cars on the part of the N7 that turns into the M7 at Naas. I was really close to the change to 120KPH when I was pulled over in the middle of the night after work.

I was very upset at the time after the split of a relationship so he clearly enjoyed his job with his awful comments to me as I was virtually in tears. I also showed him my college ID and license and showed him that I had never speed in my life yet he said he "clocked me going 133kph". I said - and perhaps stupidly "really? I didn't realise, I was following the cars ahead of me, I guess I am tired after work".

He then took my details and told me there would be a fine in the post and points.

Now I am thinking in hindsight he was following me - he had no speed gun - also I never agreed with him that I was going that speed - in fact I don't believe I was! but you know what it is like with them - they always try to make you feel like you are a worthless lier!

I started to get very upset in tears unable to talk as he then started telling me that I was using every excuse in the book after I said the only money I have is this small job I do one day a week as Im a postgrad student and I really can't afford a fine or my insurance to rise and I have never done anything wrong before etc... so surely this would stand to me, he then started saying "you can't be this upset over this - is there something else you are not telling me". I was in shock at him. Anyhow he went off and left me in a terrible upset state.

It took me about 30 minutes to get myself together on the side of the road after the way I was spoken to.

I am the type of person that just gets on with it but I really feel I should take this to court if I get a fine, but I am afraid of the 800 fine if I lost - does anybody agree with me that standing up for yourself should NOT come with a risk like that - it is awful! I am hoping that because I was so near the motorway "line" where it goes to 120 (looking at it where he stoped me!) and that he had no speed gun, and all my life without ever getting a speeding ticket, and a postgraduate student who is doing my best to survive in this country while I study, do I have a chance of getting out of this?

Thanks
Number 1 a speeo reading is enough to gain a conviction. you can either fight it in court and risk a higher fine with more points or just pay the fine and get over it.

Number 2. 2 point will not affect your insurance. (unless you are with Hibernian)

Number 3. If the wost thing that ever happens you is getting done for speeding. then I wish I had your life.
 

myksav

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Hi everyone

Can they legally get you if you are followed by a gard on a bike?
I was the last in a group of cars on the part of the N7 that turns into the M7 at Naas. I was really close to the change to 120KPH when I was pulled over in the middle of the night after work.

I was very upset at the time after the split of a relationship so he clearly enjoyed his job with his awful comments to me as I was virtually in tears. I also showed him my college ID and license and showed him that I had never speed in my life yet he said he "clocked me going 133kph". I said - and perhaps stupidly "really? I didn't realise, I was following the cars ahead of me, I guess I am tired after work".

He then took my details and told me there would be a fine in the post and points.

Now I am thinking in hindsight he was following me - he had no speed gun - also I never agreed with him that I was going that speed - in fact I don't believe I was! but you know what it is like with them - they always try to make you feel like you are a worthless lier!

I started to get very upset in tears unable to talk as he then started telling me that I was using every excuse in the book after I said the only money I have is this small job I do one day a week as Im a postgrad student and I really can't afford a fine or my insurance to rise and I have never done anything wrong before etc... so surely this would stand to me, he then started saying "you can't be this upset over this - is there something else you are not telling me". I was in shock at him. Anyhow he went off and left me in a terrible upset state.

It took me about 30 minutes to get myself together on the side of the road after the way I was spoken to.

I am the type of person that just gets on with it but I really feel I should take this to court if I get a fine, but I am afraid of the 800 fine if I lost - does anybody agree with me that standing up for yourself should NOT come with a risk like that - it is awful! I am hoping that because I was so near the motorway "line" where it goes to 120 (looking at it where he stoped me!) and that he had no speed gun, and all my life without ever getting a speeding ticket, and a postgraduate student who is doing my best to survive in this country while I study, do I have a chance of getting out of this?

Thanks
Yes, if the Garda was on a police bike.
 


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