Keith-M Its FF we are dealing with here your suggestion is the correct way but this mob will mess it up even at this stageThe pay cuts would need to be severe if only 28k are being cut. Also the order is wrong. Make the pay cuts now (on by Jan. 1st) to get immediate savings and to make redundancy cheaper (as it will be based on current salary) and more attractive.
Can't wait to see the savings and reforms that are going to be delivered. Can anyone give exaples of what has been achieved since the CDP was put in place.Actually thats precisely what the CPD says. Deliver reform or face pay cuts and mandatory redundancies.
Of course it matters, if the PS deliver the reforms and the savings what makes you think the CDP will be scrapped?
i take it ye all missed the boradsheets yesterday where they almost all ran with the story that the IMF have examined the CPA and actually AGREE that its workable.....
So what are ye on bout saying they will destroy it? They have endorsed it!
Thats the governments fault, they have not, to date, instigatigated anything. Everyone is waiting for them to actually begin the process. There has been zero progress because the Government hasnt actually tried to impliment anything.Can't wait to see the savings and reforms that are going to be delivered. Can anyone give exaples of what has been achieved since the CDP was put in place.
A reasonable post in the sea of hysteria that is P.ie ....I would rather see the deadwood rooted out to be honest and the rest left in tact, I strong PS that will attract the right people in the future too. There is so much good work done by great people and it gets overshadowed constantly by the eye catching headlines
That figure is a straight forward lie; there have not been anywhere like 450,000 job losses. Why make yourself look like a half-wit?2 benchmarking agreements and the CPA deal and yet still no reform .... and yet some wonder why all the 'PS Bashing"...... meanwhile the Private sector has been slaughtered with 450,000 job losses .... simply put patience has run out
October 2010That figure is a straight forward lie; there have not been anywhere like 450,000 job losses. Why make yourself look like a half-wit?
+1. But the thing to remember is that in real life, Irish people have more compassion than you will find on here. P.ie attracts a particularly nasty breed. In the real world nobody likes to see anyone lose their job.That figure is a straight forward lie; there have not been anywhere like 450,000 job losses. Why make yourself look like a half-wit?
This whole tread is ludicrous as the Croke Park agreement is meaningless. Public Sector will take another 30%-33% pay-cuts in the next three years on top of the 10%-13% levies/cuts already taken. That's fair enough given the state of the country. What really bothers me is the glee with which people talk about 28,000 redundancies for the PS as if these weren't real families suffering. It breaks my heart to read about the job losses in the private sector day by day and helpless to do anything, same in conversations with my colleagues.
Can you imagine someone on here demanding that 28,000 redundancies plus pay-cuts be made in the Construction Industry when it was at the height of ripping us off? When the salaries for Brickies and sparks were phenomenal and far exceeding PS workers?
Spoofer. The unemployment figure is not the job losses figure in the private sector as you quoted it. Are you seriously saying all of these 443,000 people were at work two years ago? That's actually Alice Through The looking Glass stuff.October 2010
443,000 unemployed ....excludes those that emigrated and those that found new work...also excludes many in the building trade that were self employed subcontractors so dont appear in the figures
Not me that looks like a half wit for trying to deny factual figures and living in lala land ....
Straight away in with a stupid comment Newbie.Some chance. The Public Service will be cut to ribbons pay will be cut, pensions will be cut. All these guys want is the completion of the Croke Park deal and Unions to sign up to changes to terms and conditions of employment. Then sorry about that Government will not be able to deliver on the deal. Terms and conditions of employment gone for ever. Let us all out of Croke Park now.
Nonsense . average public sector pay is 50k per annum. Ps workers also have a rolls royce pension which adds 20-30% premium to that already excessive pay. Job security adds another premium. All these figures are widely publicised by trade union websites, CSO etc. What a clerical officer gets in public sector after several year is significantly higher than in private sector and same for nearly all PS jobs.I am not sure where politicaldonations is getting his/her information from. There are all too few in the public servcice earning big money. Clerical officers are getting about 22k PA Ex Officers from 30k to about 41k. So let us stop the bashing of the public service and look to those earning over 100,000k. Cut TD's pay, Consultants in hospitals at 250,000k.