Lenihan tells Dáil that EU/IMF deal does not require approval of the Dáil

Buddies

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Sailor you treat people here with a bit of contempt. Your smug, arrogant and stink of the sh1t that your party is associated with.

Unfortunately your also right. FG appear to be happy to pass this deal and sell off a few assets and hope that we are able to 'grow' our way out

In reality, 10's of thousands of young people like me will just leave. Finding a better life, and cursing our gombeenified island littered with people like you, who support their team before their country.

I would have negotiated a better deal, I really would.
 


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FF are the democratically elected government - that is what makes them "democratic" .....
Back up there a small bit.

Contrary to your claim, FF are NOT the democratically elected Government.

FF is a member of a Coalition Government that is actually a de facto Minority Government.
It only governs with the support of Independent TDs that are not in the Government.

Thats a lot of whats wrong with FF, they think they are the Government & to hell with what the rest of us think/say/do.

FF have no more mandate to rule this country than the butt end of my flute.
 

turdsl

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Fianna Fail has collapsed the Irish economy, we now have Mr Chopra as our boss, Their has to be weekly information report presented to him plus a quarterly examination to make sure we do not change any of our policies without his permission. Why did Fianna Fail turn traitor on the Irish people, They refused to hold election, They have no mandate to negotiate anything on behave of the people, Donegal people were always good republicans and put their country first, Why did 7000 voters still vote for the present government after the refused them the vote and gave away our sovereignty.
 

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Transposition into Law

The State has to go to the trouble of drawing up Statutory Instruments & having them passed in the Dail in order to transpose some trivial EU legislation into Irish Law but yet our Government will have us believe that a Dail vote is not necessary in this instance.
And we're supposed to sit quiet & swallow it.
 

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The State has to go to the trouble of drawing up Statutory Instruments & having them passed in the Dail in order to transpose some trivial EU legislation into Irish Law but yet our Government will have us believe that a Dail vote is not necessary in this instance.
And we're supposed to sit quiet & swallow it.

Lenihan has told so many lies. This is just another one. He is spinning desperately at this point. He knows it is all about to come crashing down. Their days are numbered, and they know it.

However, that is not to say that this insanely incompetent and corrrupt government might do additional damage over the next week or so.

This government needs to be brought down NOW. Eveyr minute they stay in office, the more risk that they could do something even more damaging to the Irish people.
 

karldaly

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"Why do you and your party hate the Irish people so much"
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It's nothing personal, they only did it for the money.
They destroyed Ireland, but not for any high minded ideals;

No, they did it for SIMPLE GREED
Just like the gombeen men and women that they are


They always put themselves forward as the 'republicans, the champions of the people' but all they ever wanted to do was displace the landlord class and beggar the Irish people with stealthy government taxes and they themselves ride in chauffeur limos have grand gala parties for visiting heads of state in Lord Iveagh's mansion - Farmleigh House - pay themselves handsome salaries and enormous pensions out of the taxpayers meager earnings.

Yes that's what they have done, and yet -- there were 20 percent of the voters of Donegal who wanted them still in power.
But you must remember that this 20 percent have also benefited from the largess. They are the people in the, so called, public service who also have secure high paying jobs (and can't be fired) who will also 'retire' with big golden handshakes and gold plated pensions.
They are in every parish in Ireland. look around your own community and see who got their sons and daughters into the 'public service' and there you will have the 20 percent who will vote for FF next time out.
They are the people protected by the Croke Park agreement.
With a name like that, 'Croke Park,' you would be inclined to think is was something of good for the Irish people, rather than special privileges for the elite.
But you have to remember, Gobnait and Seanie have learned a lot of skills over the years since they went to Dublin, while they have been drawing down big ticket salaries and enormous expenses with ample helpings of free foreign travel AND IT'S STILL GOING ON TODAY.
These are the vampire elite who are sucking the lifeblood of the nation AND IT'S ALL FOR PERSONAL GREED.

"Last week's four-year plan highlighted an 11.5pc cut in the minimum wage, while people are braced for the bleakest Budget in decades next week. This week we learn that Dermot Ahern, a senior government figure spanning the boom and bust, will walk away from the disaster he helped to cause with a pension of €129,000 a year for life.

By any measure, it is an extravagant annuity: almost four times the average industrial wage. But it is particularly astonishing for two reasons: it has been awarded during a time of national austerity, and to a key decision-maker in three successive administrations whose combined ineptitude has levelled the country.

Ahern says he didn't enter politics for money -- but he is certainly exiting with it. There is also a tax-free lump sump, which brings his package above the €300,000 mark."


"And they sold their souls for penny rolls, for soup and hairy bacon"

Only this time they exacted a far more deadly price, THEY SOLD OUT THE NATION and it should never be forgotten.

Martina Devlin: We're left out of pocket by TDs' moral bankruptcy - Martina Devlin, Columnists - Independent.ie
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Lenihan has told so many lies.

This government needs to be brought down NOW. Eveyr minute they stay in office, the more risk that they could do something even more damaging to the Irish people.

Very true.
In WW2 more people died in the last 9 months of the war in Europe than in the previous 5 years. Despite it being very obvious that the nazis could not win, they just kept on fighting and spinning to their people, most of whom knew the reality of the situation as their country crumbled around them.

This government of ours is behaving remarkably similarily, spinning and spinning despite the fact that most of us know the reality of our situation.
They really could do untold damage in the next two or three months.
 

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If SF are the only ones willing to say no the Debt Enslavement Deal, then they deserve the support of everyone on the political spectrum - from the hard right to the left.

The stakes are high, and only one thing matters right now - finding political leadership that will stand up to the foreign imperialists and defend the Irish people.

If saving Ireland means causing economic distress to European markets, then that is exactly what needs to be done.
I agree 100%. What we must remember is that our resources are being looted. Our fisheries are a blatant example.

Look at the state of Africa. It has great wealth in real resources. The EU and IMF played a role in destroying those people.

The genocide has gone on long enough. The buck stops here!
 

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Can anyone explain how an interest rate of 5.8% was arrived at?
It's just enough to keep the country on the hook long enough to extract as much as possible from the people. They could hardly go below the rate of economic growth now could they?

It's a soft kill of the Irish economy. Our children will emigrate slowly, but who cares? Not the traitors in Leinster House which was built on the profits of slavery.

It's all about the markets and looting. Does it now make sense that our gas was gifted? It was our protection from the banker in the guise of the IMF.
 

fraz1972

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This IMF 'Lifeline' is nothing more than paper being spewed out by QE.

Why do you think that they are trying to convince us that QE will not cause inflation?
 

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He lies as well as his father.
 

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read it again - the programme (i.e. the memo) and these supporting documents do not represent an international agreement - they are merely documents, however once they act on them, it is an international agreement.

Do not be surprised if somewhere in Dail votes on finance bill or some other budget legislation as small line will approve the agreement with IMF/EU.
Well spotted and good call.


ONQ.

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Get the Banks Lending Money again so as to enable the Recovery.

Tax the $14 Quadrillion Dollar Derivative Market to repay the Debt.
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We seem to be caught between the proverbial rock and hard place with respect to the bailout package. This surely is a time for careful consideration of the alternatives available to us as a nation. Plan A is the package on offer and while there has been much talk of a 'haircut' Plan B the practical implications of what many advocates of Plan B proposed seem sketchy.

I had a look at what Morgan Kelly said on Prime Time on the night of September 30th 2008 and he was right in his prediction and assessment:

YouTube - Morgan Kelly PrimeTime 20080930

Kevin O'Rourke has an open letter published today in EuroIntelligence which is also worth reading:

article[tt_news]=2973&tx_ttnews[backPid]=901&cHash=484db55c3a

I have followed the arguments and counterarguments for Plans A and B and at this stage believe that acceptance of Plan A on a temporary basis followed by a general election is probably the best way forward. A new government with a solid mandate from the electorate can then consult with the best available experts and do whatever is necessary to steer our economy out of the mess.
 

powderfinger

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We seem to be caught between the proverbial rock and hard place with respect to the bailout package. This surely is a time for careful consideration of the alternatives available to us as a nation. Plan A is the package on offer and while there has been much talk of a 'haircut' Plan B the practical implications of what many advocates of Plan B proposed seem sketchy.

I had a look at what Morgan Kelly said on Prime Time on the night of September 30th 2008 and he was right in his prediction and assessment:

YouTube - Morgan Kelly PrimeTime 20080930

Kevin O'Rourke has an open letter published today in EuroIntelligence which is also worth reading:

article[tt_news]=2973&tx_ttnews[backPid]=901&cHash=484db55c3a

I have followed the arguments and counterarguments for Plans A and B and at this stage believe that acceptance of Plan A on a temporary basis followed by a general election is probably the best way forward. A new government with a solid mandate from the electorate can then consult with the best available experts and do whatever is necessary to steer our economy out of the mess.
How can 'Plan A' be ratified on a temporary basis ?
 


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