Leo Varadkar is "autistic...definitely on the spectrum...and doesn't know what to do with himself..."

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So says FG candidate, Catherine Noone.

She has apologised but is that enough? In 2020 can a serious political party really let comments like this go?

I can't see how she can survive today, but it's election time and numbers count...but this has the ability to dominate the news cycle.

Apart from political considerations, surely to stand by and not have meaningful reprimand for such comments is just wrong?

 


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Catherine Noone apologises for calling Leo Varadkar ‘autistic’

Fine Gael Dublin Bay North candidate says her remarks were ‘completely unacceptable’


about an hour ago


By Jack Horgan-Jones

The Times Ireland edition reported online this morning that she had initially denied having made the comments, before being told there was a tape of her saying them.


^ Shameful lies FG Senator Noone.
 

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So says FG candidate, Catherine Noone.

She has apologised but is that enough? In 2020 can a serious political party really let comments like this go?

I can't see how she can survive today, but it's election time and numbers count...but this has the ability to dominate the news cycle.

Apart from political considerations, surely to stand by and not have meaningful reprimand for such comments is just wrong?

Whatever about Leo's nuttiness, Noone is a screwball, definitely a loose cannon who is on the make.

Fg should drop her like a stone, then again, maybe she encapsulates all that is at the heart of fg.
 

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Does anyone think , in any walk of life , calling your boss autistic , sorry telling the media , your boss is autistic is a good idea ?

And who in public life doesnt get that using disability/gender/sexual identity terms is fraught with danger and guaranteed to create atb the very least a twitter backlash

Where do they get some of these people ?
 

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Quite insensitive really.

From the article above:

When contacted by The Times about her remarks, she initially denied using the word “autistic” but she was informed there was a recording. She then said she did not mean the word literally.
So first off, she lies about it, which means she knew quite well that what she said was wrong. What's worse though is her continuing to dig when in a hole.

“I didn’t mean it in the sense of the actual illness or anything. I just mean he can be a bit wooden and lacking in empathy,” she said. “I shouldn’t have even said it in that way.”
Autistic people can be highly empathic, sometimes painfully so, hence they can appear to be awkward in social situations, but to call someone 'wooden' and to compare that to autism is a bit like saying someone in a wheelchair is a bit slow or those with cerebral palsy can sound a bit drunk.

I think Adam Harris (lovely guy, brother of Simon, have met him a few times) said the following:

“Misconceptions around autism create enormous stigma which in turn cause mental health problems among community members. One of the most hurtful stereotypes is that people with autism are somehow less empathetic than others.

“Autistic people may display empathy in a variety of ways but we feel it every bit as much as other people. Many autistic people do not share their diagnosis with others and many other autistic people have never even diagnosed. In all circumstances it is deeply unhelpful to speculate.

“If the comment was meant purely as a kind of throwaway remark, reducing a complex condition which can present really challenges in day to day life to reserved personality traits, as opposed to a serious diagnosis it is even more offensive as it adds to the growing trend of the word ‘autistic’ being used as a negative connotation in day to day conversation.”
I am actually very well versed in the study of autism and know quite a lot of people on the spectrum to some degree or another and I find them as varied and intricate as those who are not traditional viewed as being on the spectrum (which I believe we all are to some extent.)

Lastly, its not 'an illness' so she should ****ing educate herself if she wants to represent the public.

Rather nasty really and if Varadkar is on the spectrum, so what? Its his policies I take issue with not what he is, whether its his ethnic background or his sexuality - all irrelevant.
 

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Lastly, its not 'an illness' so she should ****ing educate herself if she wants to represent the public.

This

and between the above and her attempts to lie her way out of it , she is clearly unfit for Public office (as either a TD or Senator)
 

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the only spectrum leo is on is the sociopathy/psycopathy one. his lack of empathy is astounding
 

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Quite insensitive really.

From the article above:



So first off, she lies about it, which means she knew quite well that what she said was wrong. What's worse though is her continuing to dig when in a hole.



Autistic people can be highly empathic, sometimes painfully so, hence they can appear to be awkward in social situations, but to call someone 'wooden' and to compare that to autism is a bit like saying someone in a wheelchair is a bit slow or those with cerebral palsy can sound a bit drunk.

I think Adam Harris (lovely guy, brother of Simon, have met him a few times) said the following:



I am actually very well versed in the study of autism and know quite a lot of people on the spectrum to some degree or another and I find them as varied and intricate as those who are not traditional viewed as being on the spectrum (which I believe we all are to some extent.)

Lastly, its not 'an illness' so she should ****ing educate herself if she wants to represent the public.

Rather nasty really and if Varadkar is on the spectrum, so what? Its his policies I take issue with not what he is, whether its his ethnic background or his sexuality - all irrelevant.
The best post around these parts for many a year.
 

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So says FG candidate, Catherine Noone.

She has apologised but is that enough? In 2020 can a serious political party really let comments like this go?

I can't see how she can survive today, but it's election time and numbers count...but this has the ability to dominate the news cycle.

Apart from political considerations, surely to stand by and not have meaningful reprimand for such comments is just wrong?

I think she'll survive, unless she walks herself, but she's put paid to her slim electoral chances.
 

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Why is it considered an insult? She didn't mean it as such. I think she was crazy to apologise

Though I didn't hear this bit
“I didn’t mean it in the sense of the actual illness or anything. I just mean he can be a bit wooden and lacking in empathy,” she said. “I shouldn’t have even said it in that way.”
Autistic people can be highly empathic, sometimes painfully so, hence they can appear to be awkward in social situations, but to call someone 'wooden' and to compare that to autism is a bit like saying someone in a wheelchair is a bit slow or those with cerebral palsy can sound a bit drunk.
which is a fair point
 

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To me Autism" is a badge of honour, yes we view the world in a different way but yes we have plenty of empathy though we may not always show it in an obvious way, also we are highly intelligent, there is nothing fake about us, we don't plamas, some don't like us because of that, They can sod off.
 

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whats wrong with the ladies going for election, first Chambers tells lies about her voting and now Noone tells lies about what she said.
 

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Why is it considered an insult? She didn't mean it as such. I think she was crazy to apologise.
She clearly tried to equate autism with being 'wooden'.

Being wooden is seen as being a negative thing.

As I said above, imagine saying like ''that Orbit v2 person is like someone with multiple sclerosis, they're so lazy, always sitting around.''
 
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To me Autism" is a badge of honour, yes we view the world in a different way but yes we have plenty of empathy though we may not always show it in an obvious way, also we are highly intelligent, there is nothing fake about us, we don't plamas, some don't like us because of that, They can sod off.
Well said Peader.




 

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whats wrong with the ladies going for election, first Chambers tells lies about her voting and now Noone tells lies about what she said.
Male or female, politics appears to attract some spanners.
 


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