Leo Varadkar Withdraws Support for the Good Friday Agreement

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The Good Friday Agreement allows for a United Ireland if a majority of the people both North and South support and vote for Unification. This principal has been accepted by nearly all parties, politicians and governments since 1998 and nobody has, until now, challenged this principal.

In a stunning speech to members, potential Fine Gael leader believes a simple majority is not enough!

"The demand for a border poll is alarming. It is a return to a mindset in which a simple sectarian majority of 50pc plus one is enough to cause a change in the constitutional status of the North. It represents a mindset of: 'There's one more of us than you, so now we're in charge. It's our turn to dominate,'".
Sinn Fein's push for border poll 'alarming', says Varadkar - Independent.ie

For someone who is a serious contender to lead Fine Gael and perhaps the government, this is a stunning departure from previously accepted parameters.

He believes that Unionists must also be happy and willing to join the Republic or we could see a return to violence. Mr. Varadkar does not account for the falling levels of violence since the GFA promoted the principal of consent however.

I believe this will alienate the rural FG vote and Simon will presumably benefit from this.

A United Ireland is for the first time in decades, a real possibility once the realities of Brexit take hold. This speech by a potential Future Taoiseach is both alarming and suggests that Varadkar does not support the GFA as the basic principal of consent is not enough for a United Ireland.
 


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The quote does not say he withdraws support at all!
 

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Vlad is an incompetent, vain, PR driven, Popplnjay.
He has always been a Thatcherite.
He even dresses like Michael Portillo.
His only achievements in poltics has been to garner a Greek chorus of boosters in the media and a track record of criticising other ministers in the media.

Is that link from the house magazine of unionism?
The Sindo.
 

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Inference dear boy. Read the article.
A personal opinion is far form their political position, it's entirely different, dear girl!
 

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The Good Friday Agreement allows for a United Ireland if a majority of the people both North and South support and vote for Unification. This principal has been accepted by nearly all parties, politicians and governments since 1998 and nobody has, until now, challenged this principal.

In a stunning speech to members, potential Fine Gael leader believes a simple majority is not enough!



Sinn Fein's push for border poll 'alarming', says Varadkar - Independent.ie

For someone who is a serious contender to lead Fine Gael and perhaps the government, this is a stunning departure from previously accepted parameters.

He believes that Unionists must also be happy and willing to join the Republic or we could see a return to violence. Mr. Varadkar does not account for the falling levels of violence since the GFA promoted the principal of consent however.

I believe this will alienate the rural FG vote and Simon will presumably benefit from this.

A United Ireland is for the first time in decades, a real possibility once the realities of Brexit take hold. This speech by a potential Future Taoiseach is both alarming and suggests that Varadkar does not support the GFA as the basic principal of consent is not enough for a United Ireland.
I was equally alarmed by this. Apparently it's ok for nationalists to be forced to stay in UK by 50%+1 but the opposite doesn't apply.

And anyway, a unionist by definition is opposed to a United Ireland. Someone who comes around to the idea is no longer a unionist. Meeting a criteria of unionist support is actually impossible.
 

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Not in this case.
I am no Blueshirt but I will be amazed it he does not clarify this quite quickly.

If he confirms it is his position he is sunk without trace,
 

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A United Ireland is for the first time in decades, a real possibility once the realities of Brexit take hold.
The prospect of a vote in favour of a UI is a real possibility - that is not the same as the prospect of a UI is 'a real possibility'.
 

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Vlad is an incompetent, vain, PR driven, Popplnjay.
He has always been a Thatcherite.
He even dresses like Michael Portillo.
His only achievements in poltics has been to garner a Greek chorus of boosters in the media and a track record of criticising other ministers in the media.

Is that link from the house magazine of unionism?
The Sindo.
Could be worse. He might have had Blogger Harris lauding him as the best thing since Joseph Stalin. :)
 

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The idea that unity means moving a large number of discontented protestants into a republic is confined to the provos. They long ago abandoned any regard for the ideals of the United Irishmen and refused to listen to the parts of John Hume's message that didn't suit their sectarian campaign.
 

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The idea that unity means moving a large number of discontented protestants into a republic is confined to the provos. They long ago abandoned any regard for the ideals of the United Irishmen and refused to listen to the parts of John Hume's message that didn't suit their sectarian campaign.
Why is it ok for discontented nationalists to live under UK jurisdiction by the principal of 50%+1 but not the reverse?
 

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I have to wonder if Varadkar posts on here, his political views (when he reveals them, usually well away from cameras or voice recorders) are very niche, right wing, neo-liberal, Ayn Randian, nutbaggery... the kind of views you really only encounter on p.ie.
Why he gets a free ride in the media is almost inexplicable, he has a very droning and uncharismatic demeanour. It can only be down to the media wanting to seem cool with him because he is part Indian and now revealed to be gay.
 

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They long ago abandoned any regard for the ideals of the United Irishmen and refused to listen to the parts of John Hume's message that didn't suit their sectarian campaign.
Enda Kenny, Michael Noonan, Leo Varakar? Yep. You are probably right there. The pox of Conor Cruise O'Brien still lingers in FG.
 

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The idea that unity means moving a large number of discontented protestants into a republic is confined to the provos. They long ago abandoned any regard for the ideals of the United Irishmen and refused to listen to the parts of John Hume's message that didn't suit their sectarian campaign.
So all that agonising about the principle of consent was just a waste of time?

Inherent to the idea of consent, a key concession nationalism had to make, was that a large minority were always going to be discontent. You're only complaining now that it might be the unionists who are in the minority.

Blatant double standards.
 

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Why is it ok for discontented nationalists to live under UK jurisdiction by the principal of 50%+1 but not the reverse?
We saw how well that worked, some of us think we should learn from others' mistakes.
 

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The Good Friday Agreement allows for a United Ireland if a majority of the people both North and South support and vote for Unification. This principal has been accepted by nearly all parties, politicians and governments since 1998 and nobody has, until now, challenged this principal.

In a stunning speech to members, potential Fine Gael leader believes a simple majority is not enough!



Sinn Fein's push for border poll 'alarming', says Varadkar - Independent.ie

For someone who is a serious contender to lead Fine Gael and perhaps the government, this is a stunning departure from previously accepted parameters.

He believes that Unionists must also be happy and willing to join the Republic or we could see a return to violence. Mr. Varadkar does not account for the falling levels of violence since the GFA promoted the principal of consent however.

I believe this will alienate the rural FG vote and Simon will presumably benefit from this.

A United Ireland is for the first time in decades, a real possibility once the realities of Brexit take hold. This speech by a potential Future Taoiseach is both alarming and suggests that Varadkar does not support the GFA as the basic principal of consent is not enough for a United Ireland.
In principle that is wrong

- but the reality its a statement of the Realpolitik of the thing

Best that can happen in the decades to come is a Nationalist led Assembly in the North that moves in tandem with Dublin

TBH there will be a Civil War down the line

I wont be around to see it

- but its coming....
 

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Vlad is an incompetent, vain, PR driven, Popplnjay.
He has always been a Thatcherite.
He even dresses like Michael Portillo.
His only achievements in poltics has been to garner a Greek chorus of boosters in the media and a track record of criticising other ministers in the media.

Is that link from the house magazine of unionism?
The Sindo.
Did he and others support this?

"THE UCC BRANCH of Young Fine Gael is to debate a motion next week which, if passed, would make Margaret Thatcher an honorary life member of the branch."

UCC branch of FG to debate honorary membership for Thatcher
 

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Enda Kenny, Michael Noonan, Leo Varakar? Yep. You are probably right there. The pox of Conor Cruise O'Brien still lingers in FG.
He was Labour
 


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