Leo Vardakar and his populist dangerous nonsense in the Dail today

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Just listening to RTE News at 1 on Radio and it is reported that the bould Leo said today, during the debate on the countries finances, that, inter alia,

"The countries senior bankers caused more damage than the IRA. The should all be arrested and jailed, the TAOISEACH should make sure this happens by meeting the Garda Commissioner and the DPP."

Now, I have news for Leo, mad blueshirt that he is, but we operate a system based on the RULE OF LAW, in this country. The Government do NOT get involved in the direct prosecution of the public, that the DPP is an INDEPENDENT officer of the State, and it is exactly for reasons such as this populist crap, that he is. Or do we want our citizens prosecuted and jailed because people are annoyed with them and the Government cave into populist pressure?

Leo, if FG want to criticise Labour of being populist, maybe your leader should tell you to keep your mouth shut.
 


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Just listening to RTE News at 1 on Radio and it is reported that the bould Leo said today, during the debate on the countries finances, that, inter alia,

"The countries senior bankers caused more damage than the IRA. The should all be arrested and jailed, the TAOISEACH should make sure this happens by meeting the Garda Commissioner and the DPP."

Now, I have news for Leo, mad blueshirt that he is, but we operate a system based on the RULE OF LAW, in this country. The Government do NOT get involved in the direct prosecution of the public, that the DPP is an INDEPENDENT officer of the State, and it is exactly for reasons such as this populist crap, that he is. Or do we want our citizens prosecuted and jailed because people are annoyed with them and the Government cave into populist pressure?

Leo, if FG want to criticise Labour of being populist, maybe your leader should tell you to keep your mouth shut.
Agreed ridiculous comments. I have time for Varadkar but he needs to stay on the reservation.
 

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What is to stop the Taoiseach giving his opinion to the Gardai and the DPP? That doesn't diminish their independence and would show the country that the Taoiseach is a leader.
 

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If Cowen went to the Gardaí they may end up holding him for 72 hours.
 

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What is to stop the Taoiseach giving his opinion to the Gardai and the DPP? That doesn't diminish their independence and would show the country that the Taoiseach is a leader.
It gives the appearance of bias and if I, we shall say, were subsequently prosecuted I would have an extrememly good case for judicial review, on the grounds that the prosecution was politically motivated. Thats why you do not tell the DPP your view, impression or wish on any matter relating to his role in the prosecution of offences.
 

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What is to stop the Taoiseach giving his opinion to the Gardai and the DPP? That doesn't diminish their independence and would show the country that the Taoiseach is a leader.
If the Taoiseach did anything like that it would be the ultimate 'get out of jail card' going, if you pardon the pun. If would be the ultimate gift to any defence.

There was a case a few years back not far from me in Cork where in a vehicular fatality case the DPP appeared not to be bringing charges, then the family of the fatality made representations including via John O'Donoghue to the DPP and the DPP then preferred charges. When this correspondence with the DPP was brought to the attention of the Court by the Defence the Judge threw out the case. Now imagine what would happen with a similar scenario involving the Taoiseach?
 

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what a total p***k to make such comments -- judgement v's insatiable desire for media coverage and the latter wins out
 

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Shocking that Leo may be in cabinet within six months. He'll either have to calm down rapidly or he'll become an on-going landmine for the new government. His personal arrogance, obnoxiousness in public and right wing views make him more likely to follow the second option.
Unless politically ordered arrests are new FG policy....?
 

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Now, I have news for Leo, mad blueshirt that he is, but we operate a system based on the RULE OF LAW, in this country.
Are you suggesting that Iceland operates without the rule of law?
In iceland bankers have been jailed and politicians are under criminal investigation for their reckless and treasonous behaviour.

In ireland we have laws against corruption and fraud, they are just not being applied.

The fact that there have been no genuine attempts to get arrests or trials of any of the key people who we know are screwing us indicates that we do not operate under the rule of law, because the law is either woefully ineffective, or not being applied.
REYKJAVIK — More than a year and a half after Iceland's major banks failed, all but sinking the country's economy, police have begun rounding up a number of top bankers while other former executives and owners face a two-billion-dollar lawsuit.

Since Iceland's three largest banks -- Kaupthing, Landsbanki and Glitnir -- collapsed in late 2008, their former executives and owners have largely been living untroubled lives abroad.

But the publication last month of a parliamentary inquiry into the island nation's profound financial and economic crisis signaled a turning of the tide, laying much of the blame for the downfall on the former bank heads who had taken "inappropriate loans from the banks" they worked for.........

.......... The bank also said it was "taking action against its former auditors PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) for facilitating and helping to conceal the fraudulent transactions engineered by Johannesson and his associates, which ultimately led to the bank's collapse in October 2008....
....Four former Kaupthing executives, who all live in Luxembourg, have meanwhile been arrested in Iceland in the past week and Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for that bank's ex-chairman, Sigurdur Einarsson.

Former head of the bank's domestic operations, Ingolfur Helgason, and former chief risk officer Steingrimur Karason were arrested late Monday on arrival from Luxembourg, just days after former Kaupthing boss Hreidar Mar Sigurdsson, along with Magnus Gudmunsson, who headed the bank's unit in Luxembourg, were taken into custody.

The 49-year-old Einarsson, who lives in London, said late Tuesday he had no plans to travel to Iceland to be arrested.





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I think this post should also focus on the operations of the DPP. Should we have a District Attorney approach to prosecutions in this country like the U.S. We share the same common law etc
We need some openness in the DPP to stop this kind of ranting.
He is in the Dail so he can say whatever he wants also.
 

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Are you suggesting that Iceland operates without the rule of law?
In iceland bankers have been jailed and politicians are under criminal investigation for their reckless and treasonous behaviour.

In ireland we have laws against corruption and fraud, they are just not being applied.

The fact that there have been no genuine attempts to get arrests or trials of any of the key people who we know are screwing us indicates that we do not operate under the rule of law, because the law is either woefully ineffective, or not being applied.
+1
 

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Vlad has a point. Somebody has to make a complaint to the Gardai, and that is the person who is aware of the facts and can point in certain directions. Some people think this is interfering in prosecutions, but it is not, unless there is a certain identifiable person targetted. All governments and ministers for Justice need to prod police at times to do their job in a general way, after all the government and minister is responsible to the people. Everybody understands that garda collect evidence, forward it to DPP who then decides whether to bring a prosecution. I agree that bankers have done more damage than IRA. Would fact that Paul Gogarty or man from Boyle who went to garda stations to make complaints invalidate prosecutions ?
 
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It gives the appearance of bias and if I, we shall say, were subsequently prosecuted I would have an extrememly good case for judicial review, on the grounds that the prosecution was politically motivated. Thats why you do not tell the DPP your view, impression or wish on any matter relating to his role in the prosecution of offences.
So a discussion on reminding the Gardai and the DPP of the importance of ensuring that any banker who broke laws should be brought to account would cause any subsequent case to collapse.

So when the government called for terrorists who blew up bombs in N. Ireland to be pursued by the Gardai, they were prejudicing a case?

I recall many such calls by the government but no legal problems.
 

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Just listening to RTE News at 1 on Radio and it is reported that the bould Leo said today, during the debate on the countries finances, that, inter alia,

"The countries senior bankers caused more damage than the IRA. The should all be arrested and jailed, the TAOISEACH should make sure this happens by meeting the Garda Commissioner and the DPP."

Now, I have news for Leo, mad blueshirt that he is, but we operate a system based on the RULE OF LAW, in this country. The Government do NOT get involved in the direct prosecution of the public, that the DPP is an INDEPENDENT officer of the State, and it is exactly for reasons such as this populist crap, that he is. Or do we want our citizens prosecuted and jailed because people are annoyed with them and the Government cave into populist pressure?

Leo, if FG want to criticise Labour of being populist, maybe your leader should tell you to keep your mouth shut.
Whilst I realise the devastation our finacial situation has caused so many families in this country, how on earth can this daft man compare finances to lives lost through murder? Does he think money is more important than life? If so how can he justify that morally?
 
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It gives the appearance of bias and if I, we shall say, were subsequently prosecuted I would have an extrememly good case for judicial review, on the grounds that the prosecution was politically motivated. Thats why you do not tell the DPP your view, impression or wish on any matter relating to his role in the prosecution of offences.
Are you Denis O Brien?
 

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So a discussion on reminding the Gardai and the DPP of the importance of ensuring that any banker who broke laws should be brought to account would cause any subsequent case to collapse.

So when the government called for terrorists who blew up bombs in N. Ireland to be pursued by the Gardai, they were prejudicing a case?

I recall many such calls by the government but no legal problems.
I don't recall any taoiseach, EVER, meeting with the DPP to insist that a certain section of the population, be they bankers, terrorists or anyone else, be prosecuted.
 

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