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Lib Dems call for Scottish 'Home Rule'


Ren84

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Home rule is back, this time in Scotland. The Scottish Lib Dems have called for home rule, not just for Scotland, but for England as well. Presumably they would want home rule for all four "nations" of the UK, with their talk of UK federalism. Of course the UK political system is far to conservative and unwieldy to allow for such radical reforms. The best the Lib Dems can hope for is enhanced powers for the three puppet parliaments/assemblies under English authority.

BBC News - Scottish Lib Dem leader calls for more Holyrood powers

Liberal Democrats in Scotland propose 'home rule all round' | Politics | guardian.co.uk
 

Ex celt

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Home rule is back, this time in Scotland. The Scottish Lib Dems have called for home rule, not just for Scotland, but for England as well. Presumably they would want home rule for all four "nations" of the UK, with their talk of UK federalism. Of course the UK political system is far to conservative and unwieldy to allow for such radical reforms. The best the Lib Dems can hope for is enhanced powers for the three puppet parliaments/assemblies under English authority.

BBC News - Scottish Lib Dem leader calls for more Holyrood powers

Liberal Democrats in Scotland propose 'home rule all round' | Politics | guardian.co.uk
UK Constitution and Political system is very flexible and forms the basis of half the countries in the world's political systems including dear old Eire.
 

seabhcan

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UK Constitution and Political system is very flexible and forms the basis of half the countries in the world's political systems including dear old Eire.
The uk has also been talking about federalism since the 1830s. I have a book from 1890 that argues that federalism is the solution to the Irish question. They don't do systemic change in the uk.
 

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The uk has also been talking about federalism since the 1830s. I have a book from 1890 that argues that federalism is the solution to the Irish question. They don't do systemic change in the uk.
They do whatever it takes and adapt to circumstances. No referenda nonsense except in extreme circs.
 

Ren84

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The problem with uk federalism is that 80% of the uk is England. The logical solution would be to break England into a number of self governing states. And tony Blair had a go, but the public didn't buy it.

Remember this? Regions of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yep. The UK gov has understandably been cool on the idea of an English parliament, mainly because Westminster is de facto the English Parliament. If England were to get its own parliament it would spell the end of the UK. England would take over in terms of influence in the exact same way the Russian parliament took over from the central Soviet government in 1991 once it acquired some power.
 

factual

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Lib Dems, Labour, and Conservatives have all considered devolving more powers to Edinburgh. The main powers would be fiscal.
 

Ren84

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Lib Dems, Labour, and Conservatives have all considered devolving more powers to Edinburgh. The main powers would be fiscal.
Still campaigning to see Scotland in the union Factual? SF supports an independent Scotland, so why off script?
 

Dublin 4

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Weird. Get the fukk ye trolling cnt ye.
You have to admit- it's ironic that SF are sitting in what you are calling a "puppet parliment"
 

Dublin 4

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Not calling it a puppet parliament if you support it's administrators.

Jokes aside - it looks like you are accidently admitting SF are just puppets... :|
 

factual

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Still campaigning to see Scotland in the union Factual? SF supports an independent Scotland, so why off script?
Why lose the Labour MPs in Westminster? That is not good for workers rights.
 

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It is well past time that England had its own Parliament.

Each of the four components of the UK should have their own full Parliament and the number of MPs at Westminster could be slashed.

Then each component should get a fixed amount per head of population for their Parliament to spend - any more spending should be raised by local taxes.

Then Westminster, massively slimmed down, could deal with foreign policy and defence for the nation as a whole.
 

Ren84

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Why lose the Labour MPs in Westminster? That is not good for workers rights.
That's an utterly retarded reason to argue against Scottish independence!!! That's like arguing against Ireland leaving the UK as it would have deprived Labour and/or the Liberals of left leaning Irish MP's. Now I definitely know you're not a SF supporter but rather a unionist trouble maker. :roll:
 

blokesbloke

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Still campaigning to see Scotland in the union Factual? SF supports an independent Scotland, so why off script?
Why does SF have a policy on Scotland either way? It's an Irish party - isn't it up to the people of Scotland to decide? Why does SF even need a policy on it?
 

Ren84

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It is well past time that England had its own Parliament.

Each of the four components of the UK should have their own full Parliament and the number of MPs at Westminster could be slashed.

Then each component should get a fixed amount per head of population for their Parliament to spend - any more spending should be raised by local taxes.

Then Westminster, massively slimmed down, could deal with foreign policy and defence for the nation as a whole.
Sounds good in theory, but since England makes up about 80%+ of the UK population it would dominate the other three parliaments. That's the point opponents of English devolution have often made. It would inevitably lead to the breakup of the UK. The Labour devolution project was sloppily implemented from the start. Rather than giving Scotland a parliament, Wales an assembly (why not a parliament??) and NI some sort of weird hybrid, ALL parts of the UK should have been divided into home rule entities based on population.
 
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