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Liberalism: The dominant ideology in the world today?


Honecker

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Liberalism appears to be all powerful in the 21st century. Firstly let me define what I consider liberalism to be. The two types are
1. Economic liberalism: This is essentially free market capitalism and private ownership
2. Social liberalism: This is essentially promoting the individual and supporting the right of the individual to do anything they wish as long as it does not violate the harm principle ie. do drugs, gay marriage etc.

The social democratic economy as an alternative has collapsed. The Democrats in the US or Labour in Britain do not make any effort to challenge economic liberalism anymore. Economic inequality is considered normal or even good. Conservatism is in the crisis. Conservative ideas on family, religion, homosexuality are openly mocked in western society. Even David Cameron is now a liberal. Essentially the western world today has become a liberal free for all where gay marriage is considered a human right but homelessness or starving children are ignored. This is what I call selfish liberalism or bourgeois liberalism. Is this the world that other people experience?
 


ne0ica

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Liberalism appears to be all powerful in the 21st century. Firstly let me define what I consider liberalism to be. The two types are
1. Economic liberalism: This is essentially free market capitalism and private ownership
2. Social liberalism: This is essentially promoting the individual and supporting the right of the individual to do anything they wish as long as it does not violate the harm principle ie. do drugs, gay marriage etc.

The social democratic economy as an alternative has collapsed. The Democrats in the US or Labour in Britain do not make any effort to challenge economic liberalism anymore. Economic inequality is considered normal or even good. Conservatism is in the crisis. Conservative ideas on family, religion, homosexuality are openly mocked in western society. Essentially the western world today has become a liberal free for all where gay marriage is considered a human right but homelessness or starving children are ignored. This is what I call selfish liberalism or bourgeois liberalism. Is this the world that other people experience?
In America most Dummycrats don't even pay lip service to the tens of millions living in poverty. Gay marriage on the otherhand is something they can't shut up about. Its no different in this country where Labour doesn't even pretend to care about non union private sector workers.
 

pragmaticapproach

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Liberalism appears to be all powerful in the 21st century. Firstly let me define what I consider liberalism to be. The two types are
1. Economic liberalism: This is essentially free market capitalism and private ownership
2. Social liberalism: This is essentially promoting the individual and supporting the right of the individual to do anything they wish as long as it does not violate the harm principle ie. do drugs, gay marriage etc.

The social democratic economy as an alternative has collapsed. The Democrats in the US or Labour in Britain do not make any effort to challenge economic liberalism anymore. Economic inequality is considered normal or even good. Conservatism is in the crisis. Conservative ideas on family, religion, homosexuality are openly mocked in western society. Even David Cameron is now a liberal. Essentially the western world today has become a liberal free for all where gay marriage is considered a human right but homelessness or starving children are ignored. This is what I call selfish liberalism or bourgeois liberalism. Is this the world that other people experience?
You are obviously referring to modern left liberalism, which is a socialist bastardisation of classical liberalism.

My flavour of classical liberalism or libertarianism, just for your benefit, is the "stay the phuck off my property and mind your own business or i'll blast you away" type liberalism, rather than any softly softly varient :)

 
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Dylan2010

1. Economic liberalism: This is essentially free market capitalism and private ownership
lol, what % of the economy is gov spending? how can countries with gov spending approaching 40% to 50% of income be considered "free markets"
 

james5001

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Liberalism appears to be all powerful in the 21st century. Firstly let me define what I consider liberalism to be. The two types are
1. Economic liberalism: This is essentially free market capitalism and private ownership
2. Social liberalism: This is essentially promoting the individual and supporting the right of the individual to do anything they wish as long as it does not violate the harm principle ie. do drugs, gay marriage etc.

The social democratic economy as an alternative has collapsed. The Democrats in the US or Labour in Britain do not make any effort to challenge economic liberalism anymore. Economic inequality is considered normal or even good. Conservatism is in the crisis. Conservative ideas on family, religion, homosexuality are openly mocked in western society. Even David Cameron is now a liberal. Essentially the western world today has become a liberal free for all where gay marriage is considered a human right but homelessness or starving children are ignored. This is what I call selfish liberalism or bourgeois liberalism. Is this the world that other people experience?
First off- when you say ''in the world''- what does that mean?
1st bold point- Most definitely not
2nd bold point- Significant inequality is not seen as good by the general population.
 

james5001

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In America most Dummycrats don't even pay lip service to the tens of millions living in poverty. Gay marriage on the otherhand is something they can't shut up about. Its no different in this country where Labour doesn't even pretend to care about non union private sector workers.
That's because it doesn't go against the interests of those that control them.
 

Ribeye

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Liberalism appears to be all powerful in the 21st century. Firstly let me define what I consider liberalism to be. The two types are
1. Economic liberalism: This is essentially free market capitalism and private ownership
2. Social liberalism: This is essentially promoting the individual and supporting the right of the individual to do anything they wish as long as it does not violate the harm principle ie. do drugs, gay marriage etc.

The social democratic economy as an alternative has collapsed. The Democrats in the US or Labour in Britain do not make any effort to challenge economic liberalism anymore. Economic inequality is considered normal or even good. Conservatism is in the crisis. Conservative ideas on family, religion, homosexuality are openly mocked in western society. Even David Cameron is now a liberal. Essentially the western world today has become a liberal free for all where gay marriage is considered a human right but homelessness or starving children are ignored. This is what I call selfish liberalism or bourgeois liberalism. Is this the world that other people experience?
 

ne0ica

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You are obviously referring to modern left liberalism, which is a socialist bastardisation of classical liberalism.

My flavour of classical liberalism or libertarianism, just for your benefit, is the "stay the phuck off my property and mind your own business or i'll blast you away" type liberalism, rather than any softly softly varient :)

I know part of me should be outraged given the gun control debate in America. But I want one of those signs for my house.
 

henryhill

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There is no such thing as free market capitalism. Whatever liberalism is, it is not that.
 

Honecker

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Obviously all the Ron Paul ultra liberal loons will never agree with me. However by any reasonable definition the free market, capitalism and private property are the dominant economic system in the world.

Also social liberalism dominates over conservatism.
 

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I don't know what I am, in fact anyone who knows me wouldn't dare to give me a label. I have no problem with gay marriage - People should find happiness where they can. I have a huge problem with people being homeless and poverty, especially for children.

I hate cruelty to animals and I just hate cruelty full stop.
 

james5001

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Obviously all the Ron Paul ultra liberal loons will never agree with me. However by any reasonable definition the free market, capitalism and private property are the dominant economic system in the world.

Also social liberalism dominates over conservatism.
No. State capitalism maybe.
 

henryhill

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Obviously all the Ron Paul ultra liberal loons will never agree with me. However by any reasonable definition the free market, capitalism and private property are the dominant economic system in the world.

Also social liberalism dominates over conservatism.
I'm not a Ron Paul type. It requires some insane contortions to describe economies dominated by state and corporate entities as "free market".
 

pragmaticapproach

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Obviously all the Ron Paul ultra liberal loons will never agree with me. However by any reasonable definition the free market, capitalism and private property are the dominant economic system in the world.

Also social liberalism dominates over conservatism.
You cannot have a functioning economy without private property. If there is no private property there is no exchange, if there is no exchange there are no prices, without prices how do you allocate resources?
The only reason soviet communism lasted as long as it did was because external prices in more market oriented economies could be used as a rough guide.

Btw, if you think conservatism is in any way compatible with your socialist vision, you're a total F**king moron.
 

james5001

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james5001

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You cannot have a functioning economy without private property. If there is no private property there is no exchange, if there is no exchange there are no prices, without prices how do you allocate resources?
The only reason soviet communism lasted as long as it did was because external prices in more market oriented economies could be used as a rough guide.

Btw, if you think conservatism is in any way compatible with your socialist vision, you're a total F**king moron.
That's false.
 

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