Liberals more intelligent than conservatives.

Prester Jim

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 3, 2009
Messages
9,977
An interesting new study that reveals some interesting and non PC information about human nature and traits evolution has brought out in us. including: why muslims are more likely to be suicide bombers and why men prefer bondes
plus-

Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives


A study by Dr Kanazawa, published in Social Science Quarterly in March, based on the same data showed that young adults who identified themselves as "very liberal" had an average IQ of 106 while those who identified themselves as "very conservative" had an average IQ of 95.

"The ability to think and reason endowed our ancestors with advantages in solving evolutionarily novel problems for which they did not have innate solutions. As a result, more intelligent people are more likely to recognise and understand such novel entities and situations than less intelligent people, and some of these entities and situations are preferences, values, and lifestyles," Dr Kanazawa said.

Humans are evolutionarily designed to be conservative, caring mostly about their family and friends. Being liberal and caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers is evolutionarily novel. So more intelligent children may be more likely to grow up to be liberals.


Inconvenient truths about our evolution? - Science, News - The Independent

I know most people will say that this is just common sense (sure we all know liberals are smarter:D) but it is nice to see it confirmed by a scientist.

any disagreements from our unevolved conservative contributers?
 


eoinod

Active member
Joined
Mar 21, 2008
Messages
261
If you don't think, you accept the status quo.

So if you are unintelligent, you are predisposed towards conservatism as you won't ponder any alternatives or question the status quo and advocate change.
 

eoghanacht

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 18, 2006
Messages
32,410
Liberals know the diference between N Korea and South Korea ;)
 

Tea Party Patriot

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 31, 2010
Messages
11,468
If you don't think, you accept the status quo.

So if you are unintelligent, you are predisposed towards conservatism as you won't ponder any alternatives or question the status quo and advocate change.
That is why the true Libertarians in the Tea Party are the ones pressing for change :)
 

RockinRolla

Active member
Joined
Nov 12, 2010
Messages
253
Of course Liberals have more intelligence than conservatives.

Why would a plant that has caused zero casualties be criminalised; oh yeah, I forgot - propaganda and scaremongering into accepting other materials for everyday use so that we pay through the nose for this crap that could be produced more cheaply.
 

Prester Jim

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 3, 2009
Messages
9,977
I see the cons are delayed in responding. must be slower readers ;-)
 

Hewson

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 29, 2009
Messages
8,270
An interesting new study that reveals some interesting and non PC information about human nature and traits evolution has brought out in us. including: why muslims are more likely to be suicide bombers and why men prefer bondes.

I know most people will say that this is just common sense (sure we all know liberals are smarter:D) but it is nice to see it confirmed by a scientist.

any disagreements from our unevolved conservative contributers?
I have friends with very liberal views who finish last in the Christmas pub quiz, while their conservative counterparts collect the top prize.

Like all threads that use generalisations to pigeonhole people, this is going to go nowhere.

But it might make some people feel better.
 

Prester Jim

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 3, 2009
Messages
9,977
I think the people most afraid of change are those who fear they aren't capable of keeping up or developing. Obviously not all change is good and not all change is progress but in general there is plenty of proof that society (western anyway) is becoming a better place as a result of changes to our value on human life and human dignity.
Progress stems from liberals, resistance to progress comes from cons.
therefore cons are holding back our happiness. Stoopid B$stards!
 

RockinRolla

Active member
Joined
Nov 12, 2010
Messages
253
I think the people most afraid of change are those who fear they aren't capable of keeping up or developing. Obviously not all change is good and not all change is progress but in general there is plenty of proof that society (western anyway) is becoming a better place as a result of changes to our value on human life and human dignity.
Progress stems from liberals, resistance to progress comes from cons.
therefore cons are holding back our happiness. Stoopid B$stards!
I think you're right on the whole physcological issue.

The problem is, we have no decent or all out left wing movements in this country - whether that is a issue because of our deep religious values I'm not sure but the people in this country will continue to vote FF for example - even on a week where Cowen has completely and utterly destroyed our credibility.

The reason - because we're so tribal that it will take another generation for folks to vote for who they believe will do a better job at running the economy. It all stems from who's grandfather agreed with who all those years ago when Collins and Dev discussed politics over a saussy sambo.
 

galleyslave

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 24, 2010
Messages
590
as a thought, smart people don't like boundaries being set on them, and so more smart people like to consider themselves liberal...

don't make 'em right though, if you'll pardon the pun
 

Odyessus

Well-known member
Joined
May 16, 2007
Messages
12,890
An interesting new study that reveals some interesting and non PC information about human nature and traits evolution has brought out in us. including: why muslims are more likely to be suicide bombers and why men prefer bondes
plus-

Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives


A study by Dr Kanazawa, published in Social Science Quarterly in March, based on the same data showed that young adults who identified themselves as "very liberal" had an average IQ of 106 while those who identified themselves as "very conservative" had an average IQ of 95.

"The ability to think and reason endowed our ancestors with advantages in solving evolutionarily novel problems for which they did not have innate solutions. As a result, more intelligent people are more likely to recognise and understand such novel entities and situations than less intelligent people, and some of these entities and situations are preferences, values, and lifestyles," Dr Kanazawa said.

Humans are evolutionarily designed to be conservative, caring mostly about their family and friends. Being liberal and caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers is evolutionarily novel. So more intelligent children may be more likely to grow up to be liberals.


Inconvenient truths about our evolution? - Science, News - The Independent

I know most people will say that this is just common sense (sure we all know liberals are smarter:D) but it is nice to see it confirmed by a scientist.

any disagreements from our unevolved conservative contributers?

I find a lot of people who define themselves as "conservative", would have defined themselves as "liberal" when they were younger.

They generally ascribe their youthful "liberalism" to naive wishful thinking, and their present "conservatism" as the result of mature reflection and life experience, and consequently fuller knowledge of the philosophical issues involved in political views.

On the other hand, there seems to be relatively few people who were "conservatives" in their youth, who as they mature espouse "liberalism".

Unless we believe that with increasing age and experience people generally become more stupid, the thesis that "liberals" are more intelligent than "conservatives" seems flawed.

It reminds me of those joke signs that parents can buy for their teenager's bedroom door:

"Move out now while you still know everything!" :)
 

MauriceColgan

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 8, 2008
Messages
7,654
Website
www.irelandtoo.com
I have friends with very liberal views who finish last in the Christmas pub quiz, while their conservative counterparts collect the top prize.

Like all threads that use generalisations to pigeonhole people, this is going to go nowhere.

But it might make some people feel better.
It's an excellent memory that is required for being good in a quiz.

We with real intelligence are far too busy searching all the possible answers to hone onto just one, swiftly.

Thoughtfulness slows us down. I usually know the answers but my power to recall them is far too lethargic.
 

plantfirmly

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 22, 2008
Messages
481
To be conservative/right when it comes to economics and governance is different than being conservative/liberal with regards to personal freedoms.
 

generick

Member
Joined
Apr 7, 2007
Messages
45
You know, even though i consider myself a liberal, Kanzawa's work tends to be pretty awful.

He doesn't appear to understand the statistics he uses: Satoshi Kanazawa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Andrew Gelman blogs at: Statistical modeling, causal inference, and social science: Blog of Andrew Gelman's research group, featuring Bayesian statistics, multilevel modeling, causal inference, political science, decision theory, public health, sociology, economics, and lit and i would trust his opinions far more than those of Kanzawa.

He doesnt appear to understand the myriad of factors which affect performance on IQ tests, and has a terrible tendency to confuse correlation with causation. In short, this stuff is garbage - though it would be nice if it were true.
 

Odyessus

Well-known member
Joined
May 16, 2007
Messages
12,890
as a thought, smart people don't like boundaries being set on them, and so more smart people like to consider themselves liberal...

don't make 'em right though, if you'll pardon the pun

Children don't like boundaries being set on them. Neither do mature adults, but they recognise such boundaries are necessary if we are to live in a civilised society.

"I want to do what I want to do when I want to do it." Is the cry of a child or a savage; or a "liberal".
 

Squire Allworthy

Well-known member
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
1,404
So people who see themselves as liberal tend to be more intelligent than those who see themselves as conservative. What about those who don't like to be so bracketed, are they brighter still?

Surely there are other groups who are also more intelligent?

This should apply to any group who question the status quo and proffer an alternative. That alternative does not necessarily need to be liberal. What is important is that it works in the context of the constraints currently applying. (or more often appears to work)

At times the solutions could be extremely right wing, needs must.

Any group that believe that an ideology, be it Conservative or any other is correct either have an abundance of faith (treating it as a quasi religion) or a distinct lack of imagination.

Indeed does the study draw any conclusions on the intelligence of those who are religious and those who question faith?

In fact how do the brightest 10% of the population see themselves?
 

daveL

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 29, 2010
Messages
19,367
An interesting new study that reveals some interesting and non PC information about human nature and traits evolution has brought out in us. including: why muslims are more likely to be suicide bombers and why men prefer bondes
plus-

Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives


A study by Dr Kanazawa, published in Social Science Quarterly in March, based on the same data showed that young adults who identified themselves as "very liberal" had an average IQ of 106 while those who identified themselves as "very conservative" had an average IQ of 95.

"The ability to think and reason endowed our ancestors with advantages in solving evolutionarily novel problems for which they did not have innate solutions. As a result, more intelligent people are more likely to recognise and understand such novel entities and situations than less intelligent people, and some of these entities and situations are preferences, values, and lifestyles," Dr Kanazawa said.

Humans are evolutionarily designed to be conservative, caring mostly about their family and friends. Being liberal and caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers is evolutionarily novel. So more intelligent children may be more likely to grow up to be liberals.


Inconvenient truths about our evolution? - Science, News - The Independent

I know most people will say that this is just common sense (sure we all know liberals are smarter:D) but it is nice to see it confirmed by a scientist.

any disagreements from our unevolved conservative contributers?
I really didn't need a study to tell me that
 

Telemachus

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 8, 2004
Messages
6,480
Website
en.wikipedia.org
Everybody is conservative to some extent. Most non-western societies are very conservative by the standards of the western world.

There is a lot of talk of fear being some property of conservatism, It is liberals who today are consumed by fear of the world, which is why they want to control it to alieviate that fear. Fear of ecological collapse, discrimination, and so on.

Liberals see conservative opinion as unthoughful which is a fair criticism but is rooted in the way conservatives see the world; as a system of inherited standards and associations as opposed to the way liberals see it; as a puzzle which has to be solved to the equal satisfaction of each participant.

Its amusing to see liberals talk of group differences in IQ between conservatives and liberals, while they so happily step round the IQ question in regards races/sexes.
 
Last edited:

RockinRolla

Active member
Joined
Nov 12, 2010
Messages
253
You're right, it is a difficult argument to debate when we say Liberals are more intelligent, however, I believe they have a greater understanding of human nature and how to evolve our species.

A status quo will forever keep us on the same road where as with liberalism, we are free to choose our destiny, our choices and the way we want to live our lives. For example, and this is a little off topic - if the majority disagrees with something, that thing will eventually die off (evolution), where as if we are told to agree with something - isnt that just a form of slavery :confused:

Society will be completely different in 500 years - different values etc...
Isn't it apt that we evolve to that state now with liberalism than wasting time with conservatives hanging on to their much loved status quo...
 

farnaby

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2006
Messages
1,930
Humans are evolutionarily designed to be conservative, caring mostly about their family and friends. Being liberal and caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers is evolutionarily novel. So more intelligent children may be more likely to grow up to be liberals. [QUOTE]

While I agree that intellectually curious people are more likely to be liberal (and I consider myself to be one :p), the premise that liberals really care about humanity in general is suspicious to me.

I would put it down more to patronising privilege-guilt. In developed societies intelligence is generally proportional to income. Therefore the rich are likely to be more intelligent, plus the additional factor of better education. Rebellious rich kids - more intelligent than average - tend to take their family wealth for granted and feel guilty about their privilege vs the wretched poor. But they don't really do anything about it and a good proportion of them grow into champagne socialists, talking about equality but in practice remaining in their own class.
 


New Threads

Top